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    Posted: 19-Dec-2006 at 09:03
Pakistan's shadowy secret service

By Mahmud Ali
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Pakistan's directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, usually called the ISI, is accused of many vices.

Critics say it runs "a state within a state", subverts elected governments, supports the Taleban and is even involved in drug smuggling.

Pakistan's government denies the allegations.

Like many other military intelligence organisations, the shadowy ISI zealously guards its secrets and evidence against it is sketchy.

However, the agency is a central organ of Pakistan's military machine which has played a major - often dominant - role in the country's often turbulent politics.

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The ISI was established in 1948 - as Pakistan engaged India in the first war over Kashmir - to be the top body co-ordinating the intelligence functions of its army, air force and navy.


The ISI co-ordinated the action of several hundred thousand [anti-Soviet] fighters in great secrecy


In the 1950s, when Pakistan joined anti-communist alliances, its military services and the ISI received considerable Western support in training and equipment.

The ISI's attention was focused on India, considered Pakistan's arch-enemy.

But when Ayub Khan, the army commander-in-chief, mounted the first successful coup in 1958, the ISI's domestic political activities expanded.

As a new state bringing together diverse ethnic groups within what some described as contrived borders, Pakistan faced separatist challenges - among Pashtuns, Balochis, Sindhis and Bengalis.

Much of the country's early history was shaped by politicians seeking regional autonomy and the central civilian and military bureaucracies trying to consolidate national unity.

The ISI not only mounted surveillance on parties and politicians, it often infiltrated, co-opted, cajoled or coerced them into supporting the army's centralising agenda.

Defeat and disgrace

The army ran the country from 1958 to 1971, when East Pakistan broke away with Indian and Soviet help to become Bangladesh.


The ISI and the Pakistani military were thoroughly discredited and marginalised after the war.

But they gained fresh purpose in 1972 when Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the new civilian leader, launched a clandestine project to build nuclear weapons.

A year later military operations were launched against nationalist militants in Balochistan province.

These two events helped rehabilitate the ISI and the military.

After Bhutto was ousted by General Zia ul-Haq in 1977, the Balochistan operations were ended but the nuclear programme was expanded.

The Marxist revolution in Afghanistan in the same year threatened Pakistan by opening a second "strategic front" (the first being with India to the east).

The ISI was restored to its past eminence.

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The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979 transformed the regional setting.

President Carter and his national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, built a Western-Muslim coalition with Britain, France, West Germany, China, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates playing key roles.

Revolutionary Iran offered some aid to anti-Soviet guerrillas in western Afghanistan.

But all other foreign assistance to the mujahideen arrived via Pakistan, to be handled by the ISI whose Afghan Bureau co-ordinated all operational activities with the seven guerrilla militias.

This was done in such secrecy that the Pakistani military itself was kept in the dark.

Just to get a sense of the scale of the operation - the CIA provided enough arms to equip a 240,000-man army, and the Saudis matched US funding dollar for dollar.

Other countries provided arms and money and Muslim countries also encouraged volunteers to join the jihad or holy war.

Mujahideen role

Foreign money helped to establish hundreds of madrassas (religious schools) in Pakistan's cities and frontier areas.


These turned out thousands of Taleban (students) who joined the mujahideen in the anti-Soviet campaign.

The ISI managed this operation, handling tens of thousands of tons of ordnance every year and co-ordinating the action of several hundred thousand fighters in great secrecy.

Eventually, in 1988, the Soviet Union agreed to withdraw its forces by 1989, and did so.

This was seen as a great victory for the mujahideen and their patrons in Pakistan and farther afield, and a trigger for the subsequent Soviet collapse.

This is why Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf feels it necessary to defend the ISI.

He has pointed out that the West backed the mujahideen, which went on to engender groups like al-Qaeda and the Taleban in the post-Soviet violence which consumed Afghanistan and brought about the US-led "war on terror".

Following the attacks of 11 September, 2001, Gen Musharraf has sought to rid the military, including the ISI, of Islamists within its ranks - a hangover from the Zia era.

Elements in the military have been accused of complicity in failed attempts on his life.

Pakistani government and ISI support for militant groups who left Afghanistan to fight Indian rule in Kashmir has been the cause of much friction with India.

India has repeatedly accused Pakistan, and especially the ISI, of involvement in Kashmir and in attacks elsewhere in India.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2006 at 09:05
ISI. Its just another beauracracy,
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2006 at 09:06
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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2006 at 09:18
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6033383.stm

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Nothing new again. ISI and Pakistani government has always played a part in the Afghan War, especially the Taliban. Kasuri, the Pakistani Foreign Minister basically told Karzai that he needs to accept the Taliban, and day by day more people are being killed by suicide bombers.

Pakistan is playing the only card it has in Afghanistan and I think this card will backfire on them.
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2006 at 13:55
Shadowy things are very usual in non-democratic types of goverment,such as the Pakistani one.Of course,they are also usual in democratic countries with great economical and military power.The unsual thing would be the non-existence of such mechanisms.
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  Quote Anujkhamar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2006 at 15:50
Am I the only person who feels that the tone and mood of the article is not upto the BBC's standards?

I shall pass further judgement in the morning
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1)
Originally posted by AnujKhamar

Am I the only person who feels that the tone and mood of the article is not upto the BBC's standards?
 
It's probably just because it's written by someone who's trying to make a quick buck. Interesting guy though, Bangladeshi, thought to have participated in the coup d'etat in which Mujib was killed..Very honest LOL
 
2) I havent read the article (but think I have the basic idea) Smile 
 
3) Name me one "Secret" service that is not shadowy. Perhaps they should do things out in the open.
 
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Originally posted by Spartakus

Shadowy things are very usual in non-democratic types of goverment,such as the Pakistani one.Of course,they are also usual in democratic countries with great economical and military power.
 
Sounds like a lame attempt to say that Pakistan govenrnment is not democratic, which is essentially correct but let's hope it stays undemocratic for the good of the Pakistani people.
 
5) Afghanistan is just getting into a mess again and ISI are the obvious targets to disguise the ineptitude of the Afghan government. I would say it's highly unlikely anything will come back to haunt Pakistan, a few mines along the border should sort out any cross border crossings, and return of any troublesome Afghani refugees.


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Originally posted by TeldeInduz

 
Originally posted by Spartakus

Shadowy things are very usual in non-democratic types of goverment,such as the Pakistani one.Of course,they are also usual in democratic countries with great economical and military power.
 
Sounds like a lame attempt to say that Pakistan govenrnment is not democratic, which is essentially correct but let's hope it stays undemocratic for the good of the Pakistani people.
 
 
The Pakistani people don't know what's good for them? Can't they vote? Is the democratical system to harmful for them?
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Since I am Pakistani I can say this, God save us from democracy. And secondly, how exactly will this card back fire on us. Any worse than that "piece of rock masqurading as a country" (Afghanistan), a pretty popular quote in the press these days, has not already backfied on Pakistan.
 
We have 6 million plus refugees to take care off (which the neandrathals here and in the media seem to convinietly forget). I hope ISI gets its gameplan through.
 
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Originally posted by Giannis

The Pakistani people don't know what's good for them? Can't they vote? Is the democratical system to harmful for them?
 
You're presuming too much on Pakistan right now. It's not ready for democracy, and this should be obvious. Musharraf is clearly the best leader for Pakistan, of that any uncorrupted, educated person can see. Opinion polls do suggest that the majority of the Pakistani population do favour Musharraf (according to a US government funded poll), but civilian governments have not produced very good results in Pakistan. The military governments (with the exception of the 80s though economically it wasnt a bad performance) have always seemed to be the best governments so far. Until Pakistan is ready for democracy and all the stops are in place for a broadly uncorrupted vote to take place, then one way or another Musharraf or someone like him should be in charge.
 
Pakistan's Constitution is democratic and democracy was what Pakistan was founded on. There should be a return to democracy but only when Pakistan is ready for it..there actually is basic democracy in Pakistan right now and completel freedom of the media.  
 
 


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I want to be honest, I don't know much about the current political situation in Pakistan, and I do respect the Pakistani people.

There is only one flaw in the whole system, who is going to deside if Pakistan is ready to be a democracy or not?
President Musharraf might doing a great job for his people, but who will succed him?
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^The Army generally decides these things. If you can't even trust your own Army, who can you trust? Smile 
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  Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Dec-2006 at 06:43
Our modern history (Greece), says don't even trust your own army. Trust your people, they are not always right, but at least they make small mistakes.

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I think that this whole question of democracy in an uneducated country is complete nonsense. It is this idea that misinformed uneducated people can make informed choices, that is the problem. It allows people with little merit and large PR resources to be elected to govern a society that is already at the mercy of ignorance. It is not a country problem, but a problem with the choice of electoral method. Democratic electoral methods based on populist voting only works best within given conditions.
 
I will bet that with marked improvement in education Pakistanis can make more informed choices. Education can also uplift society in other spheres of life that are equally conducive to a balanced approach in decision making, thereby further harmonizing the mental process .
 
The original article IMO is of a poor standard. It overplays certain aspects, stretching and inflating minor truths to breaking point. ISI's sole strategic concern is India. Even the eastern flank has to be viewed through this prism, where it has to keep an ever watchful eye for a possible source of Indian intrigue; pro-Indian factions becoming rooted in Kabul would only compound the problem for the ISI.
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Well said Malzai.
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4)
Originally posted by Spartakus

Shadowy things are very usual in non-democratic types of goverment,such as the Pakistani one.Of course,they are also usual in democratic countries with great economical and military power.
 
Sounds like a lame attempt to say that Pakistan govenrnment is not democratic, which is essentially correct but let's hope it stays undemocratic for the good of the Pakistani people.
 



Lame attempt?Pakistani goverment is not democratic,that's the simple truth.Unless you believe that stating the truth is lame...Now,whether this is "good" or "bad" is another issue to discuss about.


Edited by Spartakus - 20-Dec-2006 at 10:04
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Originally posted by Spartakus

 
Originally posted by Spartakus

4) Shadowy things are very usual in non-democratic types of goverment,such as the Pakistani one.Of course,they are also usual in democratic countries with great economical and military power.
 
Sounds like a lame attempt to say that Pakistan govenrnment is not democratic, which is essentially correct but let's hope it stays undemocratic for the good of the Pakistani people.


Lame attempt?Pakistani goverment is not democratic,that's the simple truth.Unless you believe that stating the truth is lame...Now,whether this is "good" or "bad" is another issue to discuss about.
 
 
LOL, It is not democratic, but i wonder if it is not circumstantial meritocracy. Where the only institute capable(therefore worthy) of governing takes over. That's what happens when civilian Institutes are incompetent, corrupt and self serving. The developing world is full of such instances. But i think the longer the military involvement, the greater the probability of infecting it with the same viral corruption that it sought to remove.


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Afghanistan 'holds Pakistani spy'

Afghanistan says it has arrested a Pakistani intelligence agent who acted as a key link with al-Qaeda leaders.

Presidential spokesman Karim Rahimi said the agent had been detained in eastern Kunar province carrying documents which proved his guilt.

The news came a day after intelligence officials said an Afghan general had been arrested for spying for Pakistan.

Afghanistan has long blamed Pakistan for cross-border attacks by the Taleban. Islamabad denies the charges.

'Bin Laden escort'

Mr Karimi named the man arrested as Sayed Akbar, who he said worked for Pakistan's controversial Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency.

A Pakistani national currently working as an officer for the ISI was arrested with convincing documents
Karim Rahimi,
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"Some evidence and documents have been seized with him proving his destructive activities in Afghanistan," Mr Karimi told a news conference in the capital, Kabul.

Sayed Akbar comes from the Chitral region of northern Pakistan bordering the Afghan province of Nuristan, the spokesman said.

The BBC's Payenda Sargand in Kabul says, according to the Afghan authorities, Mr Akbar was in charge of relations between the ISI and al-Qaeda leaders.

Officials say he has confessed to his "illegal activities" in Afghanistan. These are said to include escorting Osama Bin Laden last year from Nuristan to Chitral.

Pakistan's foreign ministry called the allegations baseless and said it had requested more information and for diplomats to be allowed to see the man.

On Monday, intelligence officials in Kabul said they had arrested an Afghan army general, Khair Mohammed, on charges of selling secrets to the ISI.

Mr Rahimi told the news conference: "National security officials arrested a defence ministry general committing national treason, spying for foreigners, and he is under investigation."

Correspondents say it is not clear if the two arrests are linked. The defence ministry issued a statement saying that Khair Mohammed had not worked for it for almost four years.

He denied the charges against him.

Worsening row

Relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan have been tense for years, but have worsened during 2006 as violence in Afghanistan has soared.

Last week, President Hamid Karzai publicly accused the Pakistani government of backing the Taleban and said it wanted to turn Afghans into "slaves".

Afghanistan says Taleban leaders plot some of their attacks on Afghan targets from Pakistani soil.

Pakistan was once the Taleban's main sponsor, but after the September 2001 attacks in the United States Islamabad joined the US-led "war on terror".

The Pakistani government denies it continues to support the militants or that it could do more to stop them crossing the porous border, and points to the deaths of hundreds of Pakistani troops fighting pro-Taleban militants in the country's tribal areas.

The authorities say that more than 3,500 people have been killed in Afghanistan in 2006 - the bloodiest year since US-led troops ousted the Taleban five years ago.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6192939.stm

Published: 2006/12/19 16:49:23 GMT




    

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Military Dictatorship is the best system for Pakistan. If Musharaf was stupid enough to have people vote for him, I'd vote for him.
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I'd vote for him too. Who the hell gave Greeks the right to tell us what we should and should not have, the last Greek King of this area died 2000 years ago. (Big smileLOLWink) Juts ribbing you Spartakus.

Anyways Musharraf and Ayub Khan before him are the best leaders Pakistan had in a long while. Must be something about army life, serving on the LOC in Siachin, in Sir Creek that tempers a man. As long as army rules Pakistan, we are good to go.
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