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Kyrgyzbay
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Topic: Kyrgyz - the oldest nation in CA. Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 04:50 |
Dear friends,
Lets discuss about Kyrgyz one of the oldest nation of Central Asialace, the nation whose history was very hard and severe. The nation who presented to humanity the biggest epos of the world MANAS.
Kyrgyz - nomads who appears apx. 2200 years ago. Some Kyrgyz tribes became Kazakhs and Uzbeks.
Kyrgyz during this long way were in fight with a lot of neighbors like Chinese, jungars, kalmyks, Russians etc.
Kyrgyz in 9 century broke the uigur kaganat and established a new large empire named "Kyrgyz kaganat". This empire was very big and has parts of present Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, China and Uzbekistan. After 140 years, Kyrgyz could not control such a big territory and some part were loosed. Today Kyrgyz Republic is small country where the people remember about the great history of small nation.
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Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 02:12 |
Kyrgyzbay, I would love to talk about your language. Unfortunately, I could not find much to read in Kyrgyz on the internet since you guys still write in Cyrillic (which I cannot read). Is there a plan to implement a latin alphabet at some point? Or, is there any kind of textbook for either English, German or Turkis speakers who want to learn Kyrgyz without having to learn cyrillic?
Take care,
Mustafa
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Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 06:19 |
Dear Mustafa,
You are right kyrgyz use cyrillic and there is no any way to use latin letters in coming future, because there are a lot of problems like finance, education, retrainings etc. Presently I do not know whether we have books like you need, but i can recommend you to visit www.kyrgyzstan.us It's site where the kyrgyz talks with each other all the people are able to speak english, russian, turkish and german I hope they will be able to recommend you something for learning kyrgyz without learning cirillic letters.
But I have to mark that it is not a big problem to learn cirillic. Its very easy.
Good luck!
Kyrgyzbay
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Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 18:27 |
Cyrillic is actually not that differrrent from the latin Alphabet. Also
I do not think that Kyrgyzstan will change alphabets anytime soon.
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Mustafa
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Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 23:53 |
Thank you both for your help. I will visit that website that Kyrgyzbay recommended. As to Cyrillic. I know it's not that difficult to learn...so maybe I should just sit on my butt and learn it once I have the time. The problem is, of course, that cyrillic is pronounce differently in russian and kyrgyz, so if I learn the more accessible russian pronunciation it won't help me all that much. Is there a transliteration table for Kyrgyz cyrillic and latin pronunciation?
Mustafa
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Kyrgyzbay
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Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 23:03 |
Mustafa,
You are right the pronunciation are very very different and more over kyrgyz language has additional letters. It would be better if could find kyrgyz people and start to talk. This is the best way to learn language. I can also recommend you to live just for 3 month in kyrgyz village and after that you will be the best. As for the transliteration you can find it at the same website.
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Posted: 07-Jan-2005 at 01:36 |
Thanks for the history of your homeland kyrgyzbay...I would love to learn more details of your past. If you have the time, could you write more history?
Thank you!
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Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 12:55 |
Kyrgyz in 9 century broke the uigur kaganat and established a new large empire named "Kyrgyz kaganat". This empire was very big and has parts of present Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, China and Uzbekistan. |
Was it that big? I don't think so
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Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 05:22 |
Could you roughly tell us about the content of Manas? And how long is it?
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Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 12:40 |
well, it's the second longest epic of the world, and it's about a boy that becomes khan of the kyrgyz and get'S his bride stolen and retakes it in camapign...bascally similar to Temujins own life...
http://www.freenet.kg/kyrgyzstan/epos.html
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/bashiri/Manas/manas.html
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Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 16:47 |
Hello everyone,
I should say that Manas - is the biggest epic in the world. It contains
about 500 000 lines. It was created long before Chyngyzkan was
born :-) Recently, Kyrgyz Republic celebrated the millenium of this
epos (in 1995 I guess). Manas is very unusual epic, a real
manaschy, a man, who tells Manas, has some kind of vision.
This epic tells about how kyrgyz people fought for their freedom.
Manas, his son Seytek, and grandson Semetey have been the leaders of
kyrgyz people.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 06:04 |
Hi Manap, welcome.
Weird thing is that AFAIK Manas takes place at a time when the Kyrgyz met with Islam while the Kalmuks were ruling Central Asia - doesn't this make Manas a 16th century epic?
Please enlighten us.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 06:30 |
I read in a german book that tibetan "kng Gesar" was the longest, anyway, are there any other lyrical heroic epos among kyrgyz?
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Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 15:56 |
I always thought a north american indian epic was the longest...
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Posted: 22-Jan-2005 at 14:10 |
Hi everybody again, thanks for the interest in Kyrgyz and its culture.
Chono, indeed, there are quite a few other kyrgyz epics, "Kojojash", "Janysh Baiysh", "Er Tabyldy", etc.
ihsan, many scientists think that epic Manas is based on real stories,
which took place long time ago, and nobody exactly knows what period of
time it describes. Generally, it doesn't describe some certain period
of time, or certain events. Manas was modified during many centuries by
kyrgyz people, and at some point, Islam was also added I guess.
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Posted: 23-Jan-2005 at 19:49 |
When I saw Khirgiz oldest nation in CA I was like...in California? lol
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Posted: 24-Jan-2005 at 16:30 |
Ok thanx Manap
Would you like to join my Steppe History Forum? It's url is http://steppes.proboards23.com
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Kyrgyzbay
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Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 06:15 |
hi to everybody! And thank you for your interest.
Sorry for my absance.
Really Manas describes the culture, style of life and history of the kyrgyz people. Once you read this epic you will understand how long was the way for freedom of kyrgyz people. This epic includes a lot of fights with the Jungars, chinese, relationships with the other neibour nations, traditions. And somewhere the epic descibes fights between Manas and Dragon. The scientists prooved that this dragon was real. Saying dragon they meant chinese. Because kyrgyz were in fight with the chinese. So manaschies just accentuated how the enemy was awful.
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