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    Posted: 02-Sep-2007 at 02:05
KARDESIM I  NEW HERE AND I DONT KNOW HOW TO UPLOAD LINKS I BE  GLAD IF  YOU CAN EXPLAIN HOW UPLOAD LINK I HAVE MUCH INFORMATION AND I WANT SHARE WITH THE FORUM .IMPORTANT TO THAT PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY MY TURKS BROTHER TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT KHAZAR PEOPLE .
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 12:17
AND NICE TO MEET YOU TURK KARDES
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 12:15
THANKS IF YOU WANT KNOW MORE ABOUT MY CUMMUNITY THE SITE IS OZTURKLER TURK TURAN TARIHI GO TO TURKISH COMMUNITIES AND THE TOPIC KHAZAR AND KARAY PEOPLE  AND THANKS ABOUT THE  ADVICE
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Nice to meet you Khazari. Good to have new members from Israel too. I'll give you a helping hand and the AE way of doing things around here. First friendly bit of advice is to post in small letters and not caps. Second when making personal or historically based opinions try to provide references and links into your opinon/arguement. Lastly, please read the Codes of Conduct and Terms of Use to familiarize yourself with our policies. Other than that welcome to AE.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 11:37

IN JEWISH MYTH WE ARE DESCREPTION AS CAUCASOID AND IN ARAB SOURCE WE ARE NOT DESCREPTION AS AMONGOLOID STOP SAY TURKS AND MONGOLS IS SAME THIS NOT TRUE  NOT HAVE  PROVE THAT TURKS ARE MONGOLOID THIS STUPID THEORY THE ARMENIAN PERSIAN AND GREEK USE THIS THEORY AGAINST THE TURKS  RUSSIAN ANTHROPOLOGIST SAY WE ARE KARAY TURK THE REAL  SUCCESSOR OF KHAZAR ETHNICLLY AND WE ARE CULTUR AND WE ARE NO LOOK LIKE MONGOLS HOW YOU  EXPLAIN THAT?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 11:22
I MEAN  THE AZERI PEOPLE THEY ARE MUSLIM KHAZAR THE KHAZAR TURK CONTROL IN AZERBAIJAN AREA  IN MIDDLE AGE AND WE ARE KHAZAR TURK LOOK LIKE AZERI PEOPLE ALL THE TIME PEOPLE THINK I FROM AZERBAIJAN
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 11:13
HELLO IM KHAZAR TURK AND WE THE KHAZAR TURKS NO FROM MONGOLS ORIGIN ARAB HISTORIANS SAY KHAZAR LOOKS CAUCASOID PHYSYCALY AND I KNOW AZERI PEOPLE THE AZERI CALL HEAMSELF TURKS AND LOVE TURKIYE HEAM DONT LOOOK LIKE RUSSIAN WE ARE KHAZAR LOOK LIKE HEAM AND I THINK AZERI HEAM MUSLIM KHAZAR NOT ALL THE KHAZAR PEOPLE WAS  JEWS AND MOST OF HEAM TO BE MUSLIMS
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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev

I m an Azeri and i look like Slavic.

And most of us look like Georgians and some look like Slavics.

My topic about origins of Azeris, and u can see pics of Azeris in there.

Most of us look like Georgians and some look like slavic.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21033

And i dont think we are from turkic tribes.

We Are South-Caucasians.

 
Emil Diniyev, there is no end to your stupidity.
 
Azeris dont look slavic, only mixed ones might look. You might be on of the north caucasian minorities as well . No real Azeri, will write so stupid stuff like you did. Noth and South Azeris dont look much different, and most of the people  ( esp. in the souther part of Azerbaijan Republic)have a lot of relatives in South Azerbaijan. Your comments not only are insulting, but also have aim to deteriorate our relationshop with Turks and South Azeris ad with anyone else. And I cant understand why such a person - who lacks knowledge in history, is not banned eyt.
There is no doubt that Azeris are mixed people - the same can be said for Anatolain Turks. But it doesnt make us less Turk - all our ancestors have called themselves Turks - so, DIniyev stop putting your racist comments on all pages.  
 
Sorry for unrelated post. This guy just irritates me
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We cannot (and we shouldn't) avoid mixing with other people. In my opinion ancient Turks were linked to Altaic-Turkic-Mongol group of people, certainly with sinoid facial and "racial" characteristics (since reading Steve Olson's "Mapping Human History" I don't like the term "races"). Proof for that could be, as someone here said, facial characteristics of Turkic nations from Middle Asia (Uzbeks, Kazhaks, Kyrgyz, Turkmens, Uyghurs, etc) or Ural-Siberia (Yakuts, Chuvashs) that were not much mixed.
Modern Turkey (Anatolia) is inhabited for a long time. Before Greek arrival there were Indo-European people like Lydians and Phrygians, Hittites, "Sea People", etc. Then there were Greeks, Romans, Byzantines...Middle Asian Turks were then mixed with this amalgam of nations and "racial" types. During Ottoman empire, a lot of Slavs, Caucasians and Arabians came to Asian Minor. So there is nothing weird in the fact that nowadays in Turkey you can see blond-blue eyed man, married to Mediterranean darker skin coloured woman.
 
In my home country, Bosnia and Herzegovina, we have the sam situation. It was a transition point. Illyrian tribes, Greek colonies, Roman conquerors, Gothic tribes, Avars, Slavs, finally Ottomans (including Turks, Persians, Arabs, Caucasians). A really wonderful mixture :) 
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:)))))))))))))))
 
Man I have been trying to explain him and he didnt get.
 
Diniyev is something not common surname in Azerbaijan. he might be from Dagestan or something as well.
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Emil, I really find you pathetic. If you don't want to associate your nation with Turkic speaking ones, why do you post under this topic?
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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev

I m an Azeri and i look like Slavic.

And most of us look like Georgians and some look like Slavics.

My topic about origins of Azeris, and u can see pics of Azeris in there.

Most of us look like Georgians and some look like slavic.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21033

And i dont think we are from turkic tribes.

We Are South-Caucasians.



hmm I'd rathers say if azeris would look like another ethnic group would be persian and not Georgian Tongue.

Me as a meskheti Turk. Lots of intermixing happend and we even don't look quite look georgian. Most of us don't anyways.


so your post is absurd and I doubt that ure azeri

(because an azeri would never say that to start with)
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No you look Georgian, your not a Turk or from Turk tribes but Azeri Turks are capiche.
There are hundreds if not thousands of Afshar, Bayat, Bayindir etc villages and settlements, they are Oguz Turk tribes.
 
Turks of Turkey are Turks, they speak Turkish, have Turk identity, trace historical lineage to Turks etc etc

The continuos migration of Turks from Central Asia and the Near East to todays modern Turkey resulted in smaller groups already existing in Anatolia to become Turkified over time.

The pre-Turkish populations in todays Turkey apart from Greeks, Armenians etc became Turks over time.

As Turks didn't have a notion of "race", or racialistic ideas regarding being a Turk. These groups after marrying, joining a Turk tribe or becomming a Turk became accepted as a full equal Turk.

Thus they're Turks.
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I m an Azeri and i look like Slavic.

And most of us look like Georgians and some look like Slavics.

My topic about origins of Azeris, and u can see pics of Azeris in there.

Most of us look like Georgians and some look like slavic.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21033

And i dont think we are from turkic tribes.

We Are South-Caucasians.












Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 04-Aug-2007 at 03:52
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By the way, besides the facts I belive in to justify my belief, I've got a question:

Yakuts and Chuvashes left our ancestors in any very early time. They had not contact with Mongols. Look at Asian Eskimos, they're claimed to be related with Turks & Mongols' ancestors. And all small isolated Turkic tribes in far north, close to Antarctia. These are all Mongoloid. Don't tell me they're not; simply because you haven't been there. And don't rely on writings since this is a clear and obvious case which does not need them. I've seen most of these people Mongolian. How do you explain this?

I can tell you of more obvious points. A Persian proverbs says: 'shenidan key bovad manande didan': 'hearings are not as reliable as seeings'. So, take good care and take it easy.

 

 

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Hi buddies. I see people are still talking about our faces here. This arguement will last forever. As for me, I've always believed that Turks' ancestors were Mongoloid, while our Anatolian brothers think the other way... that our ancestors were Caucaid. Whatever it is, I wish you best of luck.
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Read what I wrote here:

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6635& ;PN=1&TPN=3
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I think that Turks are descendants of many diferent lineages but mostly from Anatolian native peoples, there would be some Greeks in the melting pot and there would be some Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Phoenicians, Romans, Serbs... who knows?

When I think of Turks, I think of modern Turkey as I know first hand, as I've visited it as turist. But when I am put in stuation of thnking of their origins, I rather think in atal Hyuk and maybe the Hittites, Lydians and other ancient Anatolian peoples, rather than in Atilla or Ozbeg Khan. The genetic lineage anyhow must be pre-IE, and the same is probably true of Greeks, at least in my opinion. I don't put much weight in the "Hellenism" of that area, though it is undeniable that, before Turks arrived with their distinct Muslim and steppary culture, the region was widely Hellenized and Greek was the common language. And it is also obvious that the newly arrived tribes didn't just kill everyone but rather assimilated them.

In other words, I'm no Greek nationalist, much less regarding Turk origins. Just mean to see things with their correct perspective.

I think that many Turks and Greeks (and others) tend too project the problems of the present (or recent past) in these historical discussions, what is pretty unfair and doesn't help the process of correct scientifical study.

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Originally posted by Maju

Originally posted by Attila2

Hi all,

I haver to say just one thing.

Since 1200s,"thanks" to ottomans,we have all mixed with arabs,greeks,persians,Kurds and thanx to Yavuz Sultan Selim,even with BEDUOINS!

WE anatolian Turks really dont look like our ancestors

Our ancestors had slanted eyes,straight hair,large head,mid-framed body and Dead-white skin

But its too rare to come across a turk showing those properties in Turkey.

Maybe you can see such Turks around northwestern Black-sea cities



I think you are insulting your own ancestors here: obviously you do look like your ancestors but your ancestors weren't exclussively nor majoritarily pure Mongoloid Turkmen (if such thing exists), but rather diferent peoples, mostly local from Anatolia and Thrace, that eventually decided to become Turks.

I personally think that was a wise integration policy of Turks, else there would maybe be no Turk identity at all today in Turkey - just look at South Africa and what segregation has done to Afrikaaners: they have become an isolated minority in a country that is not theirs anymore. If they would have mixed freely, maybe all South Africans would feel themselves Afrikaaner now - though obviously they wouldn't look Dutch anymore.

Anyhow, I think you have to accept the richness that comes with a variety of origins and that doesn't mean that you should feel less Turk for that. Just quit thinking in "race" terms: it is much more healthy.  We are all product of a complex history.
I wanna ask you "how do you see Turkish citizens?" are they Turkish speaking ancient Greeks (heard taht from a iranian guy here in ae)? Or ancient living people out there who now speaks Turkish? Or people who has somehow high amount of Etruscian genes (read that somewhere in this forum).

Sorry in advance if i asked too much from you, no offence just wanna know what you really think and the rest.

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