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Topic: Do Uygur Turks have martial arts styles? Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 17:17 |
Its something I always wondered about, do Uygur Turks have their own martial arts styles?
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Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 20:19 |
martial cavalry arts like horse archery but not sure of any Kung fu style types
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Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 04:27 |
i propose you this book
''Uygur karızlarına yolculuk'' kaynak yayınları by Dursun ZDEN
you can find a lot of things about Uighur Trk Civilization in tihs book
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Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 17:50 |
I dont know for Uygur Turks but Bulgars had martial arts.But exactly in this moment i have no idea what is its name.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 10:03 |
No, we don't have martial art, maybe we used to have in the history, I've never heard of this.
BTW, Is there any need for that, while it is not practical?
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Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 13:01 |
wrestling is allso considered a form of martial art
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Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 04:02 |
Originally posted by Krum
I dont know for Uygur Turks but Bulgars had martial arts.But exactly in this moment i have no idea what is its name. |
The Bulgars had a martial art? That's fascinating! Please tell us more, if you can.
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Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 15:27 |
I only know "Sayokan" it is a Seljuk martial art.
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Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 18:29 |
Its based upon an old Turkic martial arts which apparently exist in Chinease records where they recorded that some Turkic communities had "Alp"/"Alplik" schools where it was taught and developed. I think they were Buddhist or Tengrist in that era.
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Posted: 10-Nov-2006 at 13:29 |
Originally posted by xi_tujue
wrestling is allso considered a form of martial art
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Then, it is very popular among Uyghurs.
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Posted: 10-Nov-2006 at 14:24 |
among all the turks and everybody else
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Posted: 10-Nov-2006 at 14:25 |
among all the turks and everybody else
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Posted: 27-Nov-2006 at 13:19 |
http://www.sayokan.co.uk/
http://www.sayokankaradeniz.com/
And there are a few more sites too. Not sure on the history but it's to be fairly recent.
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 10:08 |
Originally posted by Krum
I dont know for Uygur Turks but Bulgars had martial arts.But exactly in this moment i have no idea what is its name. |
Bu-Vei the original is an eastern roman drawing
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Posted: 31-Jul-2007 at 10:15 |
Everybody had its own martial styles.
Nevertheless, MMA competitions showed uselessness of "Traditional Oriental Martial Arts". Classical boxing and wrestling are much more deadly.
Different wrestling styles which existed among Turkic nomades IMO were far more effective than so called "Chinese Martial Arts."
BTW, Turkic wrestling styles, for example Kazakh and Uzbek "kuresh" was used for the creation of the arguably best MA in the world "Russian sambo"
The basic technic of the best MMA fighter in the world Fedor Emelianenko is "Sambo", not fancy kung-fu or taekwondo which are totally useless in a real fight.
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Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 00:08 |
I know Russia created a martial art during the middle ages called Systema (still practiced today) which is very open ended to deal with different fighting styles of the surrounding peoples. I know Russia isn't considered a steppe nation, but since they used Systema to fight against steppe peoples they might have something similar.
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Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 12:12 |
Originally posted by Timbol
I know Russia created a martial art during the middle ages called Systema (still practiced today) which is very open ended to deal with different fighting styles of the surrounding peoples. I know Russia isn't considered a steppe nation, but since they used Systema to fight against steppe peoples they might have something similar. |
Russians didn't have any "systema" in the middle ages. "Systema" is just a crap invented by some tricky Russians to cheat other people's money.
Moreover, this "systema" is totally ineffective and artificial BS. A kind of very poor imitation of Chinese MA.
Russians fought nomades with bows, arrows and swords.
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Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 23:53 |
Originally posted by Sarmat12
Originally posted by Timbol
I know Russia created a martial art during the middle ages called Systema (still practiced today) which is very open ended to deal with different fighting styles of the surrounding peoples. I know Russia isn't considered a steppe nation, but since they used Systema to fight against steppe peoples they might have something similar. |
Russians didn't have any "systema" in the middle ages. "Systema" is just a crap invented by some tricky Russians to cheat other people's money.
Moreover, this "systema" is totally ineffective and artificial BS. A kind of very poor imitation of Chinese MA.
Russians fought nomades with bows, arrows and swords. |
There is a lot of controversy on the topic of systema and maybe I shouldn't have brought it up. Almost all of the medieval warrior classes had a way to fight while unarmed because as much as they liked it, they DID get disarmed in combat, or on occasion caught off guard. The samurai had aikedo (SP?) and the western European knights had a system of their own which may have a name but it is a form of grappling. Think what you wish but I think systema is effective, more so in this modern age for self defense.
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Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 00:18 |
Of course medieval warriors sometimes had to fight unarmed. Of course Russian had their own martial style in the Middle Ages. However, no reliable sources on this martial style survived.
People who they say that they know "ancient Russian martial style" are nothing more than cheap liars.
In order to evaluate the effectiveness of a fighting style look at Mixed Martial style competitions.
Who is represented there? Wrestlers, Boxers, Kick Boxers, Thai Boxers, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and Sambo practitioners.
There are no Aikido or Systema practitioners.
Effectiveness of MMA styles is proved in hundreds of documented fights. What is the proof of Systema effectiveness ?
Systema is nothing more than BS. For some reasons these liars got ground in Canada. I would stay away from these self appointed "Russian samurais."
May be it's effective against a weak guy who never did any sport in his life. A low level boxer will surely beat all the crap out of any Systema sensei.
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