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    Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 11:00
Errm , i can not find the word  " Eunuch " in my dictionary and i desire to know what the word " Eunuch " implies ?
Do they mean devshirme
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  Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 11:02
No, enuch means castred. Generally it is used in reference of the slave "admin" who for various reasons had their balls chopped off. Usually they were the ones in the harems. But not only.
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  Quote Seljuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 13:11
It is 'hadım' in turkish. They are devshirmes (of course not all devshirmes are hadım)and apart from harems there were pretty many of them in adminastration including chief viziers (like Hadım Ali Pasha).

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Noun
1. a man who has been castrated and is incapable of reproduction; "eunuchs guarded the harem"
(synonym) castrate
(hypernym) man, adult male.
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  Quote Mordoth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 20:09
Uh huh , thanks for the explanations .
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 04:04
Originally posted by The Hidden Face

Noun
1. a man who has been castrated and is incapable of reproduction; "eunuchs guarded the harem"
(synonym) castrate
(hypernym) man, adult male.
 
Castrate is not a complete synonym. Castrate is only used when the man in question was a singer. In the Early Modern age, boys with exeptionally beautiful singing voices were 'operated' like this before puberty to keep their voice from changing. They were very highly valued in Italy for example, but not much appreciated in the northern European countries.
The last known Castrato singer died at the beginning of the 20th century. There are still some records of his voice.

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  Quote Mughal e Azam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 06:12
Why were eunuchs important? What function did they serve? If you want a man with no balls, why not just get a female?

Why do it?
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 07:15
Why were eunuchs important? What function did they serve? If you want a man with no balls, why not just get a female?

Why do it?


I don't know if your aware Mughaal but gender equality wasn't a well developed concept in those times. Men were chosen because they thought men were more competent at their jobs than women.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 13:08
Originally posted by Mughaal

Why were eunuchs important? What function did they serve? If you want a man with no balls, why not just get a female?

Why do it?
 
Some were very important. Chen He, the famous Chinese admirald that reached Africa with his fleet, was an eunuch. Eunuchs were usually employed to protect women in harems... That's why they were made eunuchs in the first place.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 19:45
castrates would sometimes reach high offices because there was no chance they would rebel and establish their own dynasty, that was the main reason. some people even by their own allowed them to be castrated to reach such high offices at all.
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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 20:07
Originally posted by Temujin

castrates would sometimes reach high offices because there was no chance they would rebel and establish their own dynasty, that was the main reason. some people even by their own allowed them to be castrated to reach such high offices at all.
 
Great insight Temujin!
 
the Caliph Al-Amin owned about 7000 black eunuchs (who were completely emasculated) and 4000 white eunuchs (who were castrated).[
 
Why were the blacks and whites treated differently? is the emphasis misplaced by the choise of words used for each. So in the above case what would be the difference between complete emasculationa, and castration. This practice is putting me off the Abbasids.Dead
 
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 20:23
So in the above case what would be the difference between complete emasculationa, and castration.


The difference I think is that in castration you can still use your penis to urinate and such, but with demasculation I believe the practice either completely removed the penis, or a new hole was cut in to provide passage of waste. I read that Zheng He wore special sticks in his hair for the purpose of aiding in going the bathroom, I think it was in 1421: The Year China discovered America, Menzies gave quite the descriptive account on Chinese Eunuchs.

Edited by JanusRook - 06-Mar-2008 at 20:24
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 06:12
A worthy topic. Eunuchs were considered useful servants in many parts of the world. Although they themselves were as prone to palace intrigue as most other members of the court, for the most part they were dependable and could not harbour personal ambitions for the top job. This is because they could not produce their own dynasty.

In the case of Byzantium, on many occasions the Emperor felt most comfortable sending out an army under the command of a eunuch. Placing the army under the command of an especially capable commander was a dangerous thing to an Emperor, yet a eunuch could generally be relied upon to not turn the army against his master. The most successful example of this is Narses, who won his battles with the precision of a mathmatician. There was no gallantry or flambouyance from that shrivelled up old Armenian in his 80s - just faithful service.

As has already been stated, women were considered the physical and intellectual inferior of men. They were neither considered suitable for holding command, nor for fulfilling important roles in the court or palace bureaucracy.

This is just my own personal musing, but I do think that having one's balls removed would give a man a more urbane and obedient temperament.
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  Quote Windemere Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 21:06
The Chinese and Turkish Emperors had hundreds of wives and concubines, more than they could keep track of. But they needed to make sure that they ( the Emperor) was the father of any children produced. So the wives and concubines were shut away in harems, and the only men (other than the Emperors) allowed access to them were eunuchs, who cared for them but couldn't impregnate them, thus ensuring that the Emperor was the father of any children that were produced.
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  Quote Mughal e Azam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Mar-2008 at 21:19
Another question, whats the use of so many women?
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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Mar-2008 at 23:32
That should be obvious, Mughaal.
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Originally posted by Mughaal

Another question, whats the use of so many women?
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2012 at 19:25
It's an ancient practise: Assyrian and Babylonian emperors used eunuchs as administrators and harem guards (including the sons of a captured Hebrew king). The Romans used them as male prostitutes
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2012 at 19:26
Bagoas was a Persian eunuch who became the lover of Alexander the Great. He convinced the king to assimilate conquered nations to prolong the empire
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 19:28
The chief eunuch of the Turkish sultan's harem was black as Africans were deemed more trustworthy than whites. The operation involved all external genitalia being swept away with a razor blade, a metal or bamboo tube stuck into the wound, and the patient being buried up to his neck in hot sand. Only 10 percent survived 
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