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    Posted: 23-Dec-2004 at 19:19
Originally posted by Degredado

However, there is no real evidence of these discoveries (apart from the vikings). Columbus did discover America, in the true sense of that word. He was the one who brought America to everyone's conscious.


On the other hand Greenland (and perhaps Vinland) were known territories in Medieval Europe. Therefore Kolno and Corte Real probably didn't realize they landed on a 'new' continent, that may be the reason they're more or less forgotten. But Columbus didn't realize he discovered a new continent either. Columbus had lived for several years on the Azores and at the Portuguese court, so it's very likely they heared about Bacalao (not knowing it was a new continent). Las Casas wrote about dead bodies of people from Bacaleo (in other words: Native Americas) stranded on the Azores (before 1492), which was one of the reasons Columbus believed there Asia was on the other side of the ocean.
Neither Corte Real/Kolno nor Columbus realized they discovered a new continent, so I'd say their discoveries are of equal importance.
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  Quote Degredado Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Dec-2004 at 06:17

I think a lot of other people were going to that part of America as well. As Cywr said, the Portuguese were more concerned with India (or any other place that might yield immediate profit; Brasil was an accident), but it sure boosts the national ego to believe that they were in America before Columbus.

However, there is no real evidence of these discoveries (apart from the vikings). Columbus did discover America, in the true sense of that word. He was the one who brought America to everyone's conscious.

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Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

In 1472 Joao Vaz Corte Real, a Portuguese navigator, reached "Bacalhau", therefore he was granted lands on the Azores.
In the 16th century the name Bacalhau (written in many different ways) was the name used on several maps for Newfoundland.
Bacalhau means Codfish. It's known that around 1500 Basque and Portuguese fishermen fished on cod at the Banks of Newfoundland.
In 1552 a Francisco Lopez de Gomara, a Spanish historian, wrote that a certain Johannes Scolvus had discovered Newfoundland. Scolvus has been identified as John of Kolno (Jan z Kolna), a Polish navigator who sailed together with Corte Real and two Germans, Pining and Pothorst.

I think Corte Real and Kolno reached America 20 years before Columbus. Does anyone agree?

 

The cod fisheries around Newfoundles through Massachustees are the riches in the world, and the Basques had long been geting large amounts of cod from soemwhere even befreo Columbus.  The Basques were only discovered around Newfoundland in 1500, but they very likely had been there for 50 years or more already and had kept in secret.

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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2004 at 14:40
Its certainly possible, if they assumed what what they found were small islands they might not have considered it a big deal, and so little fuss would have been made. As a maritime nation, Portugal was rather more concerned with going to India.
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In 1472 Joao Vaz Corte Real, a Portuguese navigator, reached "Bacalhau", therefore he was granted lands on the Azores.
In the 16th century the name Bacalhau (written in many different ways) was the name used on several maps for Newfoundland.
Bacalhau means Codfish. It's known that around 1500 Basque and Portuguese fishermen fished on cod at the Banks of Newfoundland.
In 1552 a Francisco Lopez de Gomara, a Spanish historian, wrote that a certain Johannes Scolvus had discovered Newfoundland. Scolvus has been identified as John of Kolno (Jan z Kolna), a Polish navigator who sailed together with Corte Real and two Germans, Pining and Pothorst.

I think Corte Real and Kolno reached America 20 years before Columbus. Does anyone agree?

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