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Topic: Vodka is in danger Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 13:05 |
The best Vodka in the world is made in Newfoundland with water from icebergs.
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 16:52 |
Originally posted by DukeC
The best Vodka in the world is made in Newfoundland with water from icebergs.
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This is a scandal. You will burn in hell . There is only one vodka - Polish vodka. I drunk bimber two days ago. It is polish vodka domesticaly made, 60% of alcohol. Before we drunk Swedish vodka - Absolut, which is considered very good in Poland. Bimber was much better. It was made by friend's granfather ( hah this old reciepies )
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 16:54 |
Originally posted by Maharbbal
Zubrowka is good indeed but it is heresy to mix it with what ever as it has a very particular taste and texture.
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If us Polish drink it with apple juice it means it should be drink with apple juice says I.
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 17:11 |
I've only drunk Stoly, which I found tasteless, so I don't really know much about Vodka. Schnapps is more to my taste, peach, peppermint, or even rootbeer.
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 17:41 |
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There is nothing better than whiskey mixed with a nice coca-cola. | Heresy! |
I so second that. Why do people insist on ruining perfectly good alcohol by pouring in all sorts of nasty fruit-juices and other crappy herbal extracts. Sacrilege!
Originally posted by maharbbal
Finally Chile wine is crap (just look at the bottle it looks awful!). The only real good wines are French and THAT'S A TRUTH. Who ever says the countrary has never tried a great Bourgogne... At more afordable price you may also get Italian white wines and Spanish red (also the good one are very very very rare). All the rest doesn't even worth being considered, Australian, NZ, Californian, Argentinian or Chilian wines are disgusting: proof is the English like it. It is not wine, it is marketing. |
Sorry mate, the days of French wine are over. You will have to face the fact that others can do it just as well...
I prefer Italian red myself, nice and round. Much better than that acid and bitter stuff from the bordeax. I must admit the occasional Bourgonge can be allright, as long as they skip the cabernet sauvignon. That is one grape which should never be used for consumption...
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 17:53 |
Well, i also prefer red Italian wines more than french. From the French my favourite is Anjou.
Vodka sucks. Its really only spiritus + water and nothing else.
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 21:24 |
Originally posted by Maharbbal
Finally Chile wine is crap (just look at the bottle it looks awful!). The only real good wines are French and THAT'S A TRUTH. Who ever says the countrary has never tried a great Bourgogne... At more afordable price you may also get Italian white wines and Spanish red (also the good one are very very very rare). All the rest doesn't even worth being considered, Australian, NZ, Californian, Argentinian or Chilian wines are disgusting: proof is the English like it. It is not wine, it is marketing.
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How can you say such stupidity!
You very well know French wines don't exist anymore. Your originial parrs where destroyed last century during a catastrophic ephidemic. You replanted them with cheap parrs.
And you know who got the original French parrs which are still producing wine? CHILE!
You French guys are just the name. And your wine industry is in decadence. Expensive and bad. We, the downplayed countries, are going to destroy every single of your famous produce, from cheses to perfumes, to whatever, in the same way we kick the back of Norway in the salmon industry.
France! You just got a name. A commercial brand name. There are not even French people in France anymore.
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 21:30 |
I have never tried Chilean wine, but I know the country is famous for
that product. I have had some very good recommendations about Chilean
wine, must try some someday, perhaps on a vacation there......
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 23:17 |
Originally posted by pinguin
And you know who got the original French parrs which are still producing wine? CHILE![/QUOTE
Didn't they just find a variety of grape in Chile they thought had been lost for over 100 yea |
Didn't they just find a variety of grape in Chile they thought had been lost for over 100 years. It resembles a Merlot or something like that.
edit- British Columbia also has some good wines from the Okanogan region but the amount is fairly limited. I think there's only 5000 acres or so under production, so they tend to produce specialty wines like Ice wine.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 04:55 |
Ice wine! I heard about that. Never drunk it though, very expensive...
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 13:59 |
Originally posted by DukeC
Didn't they just find a variety of grape in Chile they thought had been lost for over 100 years. It resembles a Merlot or something like that.
edit- British Columbia also has some good wines from the Okanogan region but the amount is fairly limited. I think there's only 5000 acres or so under production, so they tend to produce specialty wines like Ice wine. |
Yes. It was merlot that many growers confussed with cabernet souvignon.
The best wine producing regions in the Americas are in the zones that have mediterranean weather. In North America the best fields are in California (perfect), and in South America they are in central Chile and Argentina, although many other regions can produce good wines as well.
The advantage of Chile and Argentina is that there is lots of territory capable of producing good wines, so the scale is large, therefore the prices are cheaper that what they should be. However, no matter you can find a bottle of good chilean wine for US$5, if you really want to try an outstanding chilean wine they could coast more than US$200 the bottle.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 14:07 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
I have never tried Chilean wine, but I know the country is famous for that product. I have had some very good recommendations about Chilean wine, must try some someday, perhaps on a vacation there...... |
Australia also produce fine wines, and California as too. It is just time the rest of the world knows there are good wines "down under" , and that not only France produce something
And, of course, there are wine tours in Chile, with skycars and touristic railroad (the wine train) included. Wine is serious business in Chile, and we are proud of our "reds".
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 14:53 |
The knowledge is getting through here already, couple of years now. In the supermarket there are wines from all over the world, France does not have more room than the others. Argentina produces good wines as well, and South Africa too.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 19:08 |
In Argentina and Chile the climate is not really good for making wine. Their wine is simply too dry.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 20:14 |
What!!!!?????
Chile weather is too dry? Where do you get that! Goodness.
Have you seen the map of Chile? We have plenty of different weathers! From desert to the Antarctic, and from oceanic to upper mountains! I don't know where you can get more variety in a single country. Do you know how much it rains in souther chile? Do you really believe the country is dry?
Chile is not a continental country like the U.S. but you can put France, several times on it! There is no way a country like France, Italy or Spain have more variety of climate and better conditions than Chile or Argentina.
Look, these countries are a paradise for agriculture. And I am not kidding at all.
And we have plenty of different tipes of wines.
Well, if you don't like wine perhaps you could try PISCO, make of moscatel grapes.
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Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 20:55 |
Personally I've always wondered why Poles drink that fermented potato stuff, when Polish Absinth is far better quality.
I once met a wine expert and he gave me some sound advice. Don't drink French wine its overpriced. If you take two bottles of wine one French and one Australian, equal in quality, the French one will have a price tag double that of the Australian. So basically whatever amount of money you choose to budget on your wine, if buy French you'll be buying a wine lower quality than any other country because of the inflated prices.
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 03:38 |
Originally posted by Paul
I once met a wine expert and he gave me some sound advice. Don't drink French wine its overpriced. If you take two bottles of wine one French and one Australian, equal in quality, the French one will have a price tag double that of the Australian. So basically whatever amount of money you choose to budget on your wine, if buy French you'll be buying a wine lower quality than any other country because of the inflated prices.
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Great modern British historian Norman Davies stated in his "Europe: a history" that good wine is made only in those places in Europe where it is made since times of Roman Empire.
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 03:41 |
Originally posted by pinguin
What!!!!?????
Chile weather is too dry? Where do you get that! Goodness.
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Nope. I didnt say that wheater is too dry. All i said is that wine is too dry.
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 04:15 |
Originally posted by Paul
Personally I've always wondered why Poles drink that fermented potato stuff, when Polish Absinth is far better quality.
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Nothing wrong with that; potato spirits has an interesting history too. The women who invented it was that first female elected into the Swedish Academy of Sciences (of that reason)
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Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 11:46 |
Paul's right French wines are overpriced abroad.
Nonetheless if you pick 100 French wines and 100 wines from whatever
other places supposed to be the new fashionable vineyard, you'll have
to admit that
1) you have more chances to find real crap in Chile
2) you have more chances to find something excellent in France.
Pircetag is one thing, connaisseurs' opinion another. And among the 100
most expensive wines for 2006 (a good year) 96 are European and 72 are
French. One Norwigean (!). The US and Chile have two each and
Australia's not even there. (source Le Monde)
What the new vineyard are producing are products people will like the
first time they try it. So more sugar, more alchool, easy opening
(aaaargh!), and additive fruity savours. God help us! Red wine is an
aquired taste, if you like it the first time that means it is
alchoolized grape juice. Nothing else. The same for cheese by the way.
The new countries are mass producing and marketing a product that by
definition can't be one or the other. A quality vineyard is only a few
hundred meters long, how can you mass produce on that. With wine we are
ending up at the same point as with other agricultural products: the
tomatoes, carots, cheese or meat you buy at Wall Mart, Tesco or
Carrefour are safe and easy to eat but they are tasteless. The worst is
what has happen with butter, nowadays butter basically has no taste;
when you go to a farm and eat their butter you don't like it because it
taste like milk...
Wine have resisted longer beacuse it is more expensive and difficult to
produce, but here it is: within two years nobody will like real wine
because we will lose the habit to drink it and we will prefer the
tasteless sugary chile wine.
Penguin I'm sure you have never even drink a good Cte de Nuit or a
Entre-deux-mers. It is a great thing for Chile to be able to develop
its agriculture but unfortunatly it is not a good thing for wine lovers.
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