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    Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 05:15
I think they have a time-table of 2-3 years to smoothly make the transition, so they don't lose many customers. The move to the EU court was made by Denmark, Germany and France.
 
Btw, I was discussing some months ago with a fiend of mine who is a chemist, specialised in wine production (enologist ?) and the writer of two books on alcohol production and history. The discussion was precisely about Vodka and his comments were that "you can make vodka from anything that has either sugar or (I don't remember what he said is in cereals that produce alcohol), there's nothing that implies that Vodka comes from a specific fruit or cereal. When the USSR had plenty of sugar coming almost for free by Cuba, they were simply distilling Vodka directly from sugar. Best Vodka ever! Only reason people don't continue to do it is because sugar is too expensive compared to corn or fruit" 
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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 05:20
Originally posted by Yiannis

 
Btw, I was discussing some months ago with a fiend of mine who is a chemist, specialised in wine production (enologist ?) and the writer of two books on alcohol production and history. The discussion was precisely about Vodka and his comments were that "you can make vodka from anything that has either sugar or (I don't remember what he said is in cereals that produce alcohol), there's nothing that implies that Vodka comes from a specific fruit or cereal. When the USSR had plenty of sugar coming almost for free by Cuba, they were simply distilling Vodka directly from sugar. Best Vodka ever! Only reason people don't continue to do it is because sugar is too expensive compared to corn or fruit" 
 
Well, the thing is that the use of the name 'vodka' differs in different places. Some nationalities would agree with you, for some vodka only means spirits from rye or wheat.
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 05:24
Majkes,mosquito,what s your opinion for "sliwowitsa" (did i write it well?) its pure oil! :-)

But i must admit u have nice beers(and the czechs even nicer)

,and u also must admit that u drink a lot in poland!
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  Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 05:46
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Not in my local supermarket........ yet.
 
Unless they've already inserted the word 'style' between the words 'Feta' and 'cheese' so small no-one even notices it.
 
Yes, and in some cases I see instead of "Greek Feta" word "Mediterranian Feta".
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 13:18
Originally posted by Brainstorm

Majkes,mosquito,what s your opinion for "sliwowitsa" (did i write it well?) its pure oil! :-)

But i must admit u have nice beers(and the czechs even nicer)

,and u also must admit that u drink a lot in poland!
 
Well, i would never call Sliwowica - a vodka.
 
Im not going to admit anything. You need to take statistics on the alcohol consumption in Europe. Im not able to say if we in Poland really drink a lot or not.
 
 
 
Now the funny part: for Genghis
 
As for your question about vodka's from high shelf Genghis there is no such thing. I just prefer the purest alcohol so i buy vodka's which was destilled at least 3 times, like Luksusowa, Wyborowa or Chopin.
 
All vodka's are moreless the same. Russian vodka is not very good because its not often really pure. They never make it in the process of tripple destilation. But its a just alcohol and water and really nothing else. So called vodka's of high shelfs are just a product of marketing and thats all story. You advertise somthing as luxury product and can sell it for much better monay. For example: I can buy bottle of Polish vodka in Poland for 10-20 $. The same bottle of polish vodka is being sold in USA for 100-150$ as vodka from high shelf. Only Americans belive in such crap. But it were also Americans who invented such good marketing lol LOL
 
 
It is normal vodka, made in Poland, no really different than any other vodka. Well it got nice looking bottle. But americans belive in such idiotic stories.
 
 
 
I couldnt stop laughing when i saw the TV comercial which you can see there http://www.chopinvodka.com/
 
All those people drinking vodka in wine glasses and doing it moreless in the same way as they were testing wine LOL
 
And bravo for the actors playing Polish paesants who make vodka "in traditional way" for centuries. I guess in this way you can sell in the USA even crap and convince Americans that they buy somthing unique.
If they showned this TV comercial in Polish TV, people would die laughing and authors would be jailed for massmurder.
 
The truth is that all European countries are selling in the USA normal products which in the USA are considered as high shelf, because are expensive and we sell them together with nice stories about past.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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  Quote Majkes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 15:35
Originally posted by Brainstorm

Majkes,mosquito,what s your opinion for "sliwowitsa" (did i write it well?) its pure oil! :-)

But i must admit u have nice beers(and the czechs even nicer)

,and u also must admit that u drink a lot in poland!
 
Śliwowica is a very strong alcohol, stronger than vodka. It is made from plums so we don't call it vodka as Polish vodka can be maid from cereals or potatoes. It is produced only in southern part of Poland if I remeber correctly. I don't know how it tastes I've never drunk it. Generally I don't like vodka. For me it doesn't have any taste and I don't understand how some guys are tasting it and saying about vodka's beautiful colour or smell. I just drink vodka cause I'm Polish and like we say in Poland: "Pole is not a camel and must drink". I drink my cup in one gulp as it is most popular way of drinking vodka in Poland.
 
As for what Mosquito wrote I see the diffrence between vodkas but betwen lower class vodkas and normal vodkas. This first are sometimes really difficult to drink and can be dangerous for health. I agre with Mosquito that it would be rather hard to distinguish betwen Chopin for 100 dollars ( I don't know how much does it cost but Mosquito claims that it is a price - very expansive ) and Luksusova for 10 dollars or rather even less.
 
As for Polish drinking a lot it is a true. We had stronger alcohols even polish beer is stronger than in other countries and we need more to drink to get drunk. I think we are getting more civilized in matter of drinking. After what I saw in England I must say that we don't have a chance in this competition with English people.
 
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 16:42
After what I saw in England I must say that we don't have a chance in this competition with English people.
 
When it comes to binge-drinking, no-one can beat the English... It is amazing... LOL

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 17:11

Why to worry about Vodka or Whisky?

We still have Tequila! And Tequila is made of the blue Agave only, otherwise could be whiskey or vodka LOL
 
Just kidding. No offense is intended Wink
 
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 18:07
Majkes did you watch that "new TV commercial" from that site about Chopin vodka?
 
BTW Majkes i was wrong about price of Chopin in USA. Someone simply misguided me. I found it on the online store in USA and looks like it is 35 $ for bottle.
 

padChopin Vodka

"Beautifully soft and delicate nose. Good intensity of flavor in the mouth, smooth, and well balanced with the sweetness of the rye counterbalanced by a slight, background alcohol burn which is by no means unpleasant. Middle-length aftertaste. This is an excellent Polish vodka, expertly distilled, the type that first persuaded me that the Poles can make the best vodkas in the world."

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< =http://order.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/wg-order?randalls+mb17100274 method=post>rws7620pad$35.81, 3 for $102.03, 6 for $193.32, 12 for $365.16


Edited by Mosquito - 25-Oct-2006 at 18:16
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 22:25
Oh, I certainly believe what you say about Vodka in America, Mosquito.  So many of my stupid college friends have hard ons for Grey Goose vodka, which tastes like water to me.  It's idiotic, and it also costs like $40 a bottle or something in that price range. 
 
They've even done blind taste tests with vodka and shown that no one can tell the difference between all the brands, except for the really impure ones.
 
Americans are bad at finding good alcoholic drinks.  We like overpriced vodka, and watery beer.  Our only hope is the microbrewery movement.
 
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Originally posted by Genghis

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Americans are bad at finding good alcoholic drinks.  We like overpriced vodka, and watery beer.  Our only hope is the microbrewery movement.
 
 
In alcoholic drinks, for an excelent ballance between price and quality, Chilean wines are the best.
 
 
Now, why to buy Vodka when you can replace it with Tequila or American Corn Whisky? Besides, excelent quality Piscos of Peru and Chile (pure grape brandies) are also available in the market.
 
Jesus! It seems I am doing publicity. Sorry. 
 
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 01:22
Originally posted by pinguin

 
In alcoholic drinks, for an excelent ballance between price and quality, Chilean wines are the best.
 
 
Now, why to buy Vodka when you can replace it with Tequila or American Corn Whisky? Besides, excelent quality Piscos of Peru and Chile (pure grape brandies) are also available in the market.
 
Jesus! It seems I am doing publicity. Sorry. 
 
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I'm sure they are good, but I'm not a very big fan of wine, it just doesn't appeal to my palate very much.  My father would certainly like them though, he is a big wine fan.
 
The reason, I'm sure, that most American college students like vodka is because it doesn't have any flavor and it's easier to chug vast quantities of it than something with more bite like gin, rum, or whiskeys.  Girls especially prefer vodka for this reason.
 
I never like doing that though so that's why I prefer gin, so I have something flavorful to sip on.


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And of course vodka gives you less of a hangover... Unlike whiskey, I have some really bad morning after experiences with whiskey...Dead
 
It's not popular at all here. We drink beer.

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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 05:31
I am new to vodka. First time i tried was just about 30-40 days ago. I drank it with strawberry cider. it was really hard to swallow because it left the aftertaste of vomit or a corpse in my mouth, really needed some orange juice on it, didn't have any though.Dead Rum leaves you a good aftertaste. no need to drink anything on the side.

I do like to "slam" though, it is a nice contest and somehow i don't remember a crappy aftertaste with that vodka experience.


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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 09:47
You should drink better vodka. Considering you are Estonian, you have plenty to choose from.
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Originally posted by Aelfgifu

And of course vodka gives you less of a hangover... Unlike whiskey, I have some really bad morning after experiences with whiskey...Dead
 
It's not popular at all here. We drink beer.


I'm a whiskey fan, myself! There is nothing better than whiskey mixed with a nice coca-cola. Liqour's where it's at! (beer isn't bad though) Surprisingly I don't get hang-overs. I'm a lucky man!
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 There is nothing better than whiskey mixed with a nice coca-cola.
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  Quote Majkes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 13:35
Originally posted by Mosquito

Majkes did you watch that "new TV commercial" from that site about Chopin vodka?
 
BTW Majkes i was wrong about price of Chopin in USA. Someone simply misguided me. I found it on the online store in USA and looks like it is 35 $ for bottle.
 

padChopin Vodka

"Beautifully soft and delicate nose. Good intensity of flavor in the mouth, smooth, and well balanced with the sweetness of the rye counterbalanced by a slight, background alcohol burn which is by no means unpleasant. Middle-length aftertaste. This is an excellent Polish vodka, expertly distilled, the type that first persuaded me that the Poles can make the best vodkas in the world."

Rating : ****
- Desmond Begg, The Vodka Companion



< =http://order.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/wg-order?randalls+mb17100274 method=post>rws7620pad$35.81, 3 for $102.03, 6 for $193.32, 12 for $365.16
 
Yes, I've watched it but You said it all about it. It is very funny though.
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  Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 11:45
Originally posted by Aelfgifu

After what I saw in England I must say that we don't have a chance in this competition with English people.
 
When it comes to binge-drinking, no-one can beat the English... It is amazing... LOL



I'm sorry but I must desagree. The Brits drink a lot indeed, but compared to the Turks they're nothing. I've seen three tiny girls from Istanbul totally out-drinking half a regiment of Greeks, Americans and English.

These people are surhuman when it comes to drinking. They have no problem doing nothing else than drinking and listening to sad music well into the afternoon (considering they've started the previous day around 7PM it is quite something).

Considering vodka here are a few facts:
Best vodka in the world is my grand-mother's she cooks it every year in her bath tube with corn and sugar. Ukrainian recepy! One bottle lasts for a few month as nobody's ever been able to have a second glass.
Zubrowka is good indeed but it is heresy to mix it with what ever as it has a very particular taste and texture.
For mixing strong swedish vodka's the best and in my opinion the best cocktail is 1/3 vodka, 1/3 freshly squeezed orange or lemon or apple, 1/3 of Perrier or San Pelegrino and a few drops of sirop... Devine and develish as you don't feel the alchool but the bubbles make you drunk must faster.
But the best way to drink vodka remains: one shot + a slice of lemon to eat right after.

PS I understand the American, when you have no idea of the quality of something you go for the usual nearest proxy of quality: high price. Of course that means that you may pay a lot for a crappy product... I've recently experienced the same thing while trying to get some good Sake in London.

Finally Chile wine is crap (just look at the bottle it looks awful!).
The only real good wines are French and THAT'S A TRUTH. Who ever says the countrary has never tried a great Bourgogne... At more afordable price you may also get Italian white wines and Spanish red (also the good one are very very very rare). All the rest doesn't even worth being considered, Australian, NZ, Californian, Argentinian or Chilian wines are disgusting: proof is the English like itTongue. It is not wine, it is marketing.
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