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Topic: Albanian Soldiers of Ottoman Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 06:52 |
Of course we have many things common with the Turks.
500 years under the Turks, what do you think, its not enough?
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 07:05 |
Well the greeks use it in the same way for us (Albanins)
For some Greeks which they want to think we are not very smart people like Leonidhas wrote I could tell him to go back in Greece and see in their schools who is the best student and how the media in Greece does when an albanian student has to hold the greek flag because they are the best in their schools. However everybody knows that the greeks don't like us.
I am so glad I left that country.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 08:56 |
Originally posted by Jamarber
Well the greeks use it in the same way for us (Albanins)
For some Greeks which they want to think we are not very smart people like Leonidhas wrote I could tell him to go back in Greece and see in their schools who is the best student and how the media in Greece does when an albanian student has to hold the greek flag because they are the best in their schools. However everybody knows that the greeks don't like us.
I am so glad I left that country.
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I think you misunderstood what Leonidas said, he meant that he does not know much about Albanians because in Australia they are not mentioned that often in the media. Apart from that, Albanian students are NOT the best students in greek school, there are some that top their classes, in percentages that are analogue to their numbers in greek society. Greeks don't hate Albanians, nor do they think they are "not very smart", there are SOME Greeks that dislike Albanians, as there are Albanians that dislike Greeks. Greece has given jobs, education, opportunities and a better life in genereal to a lot of your people, you should be grateful to Greece for that. On the other hand, Albania offers a good part of it's workforce to Greece and contributes to her development and for that Greece is grateful too. However, if you really feel like you describe, I too am glad you left this country
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 08:18 |
Originally posted by Mordoth
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 09:51 |
I read somewhere that Arnavut Cigeri - Albanian Liver comes from the fact that the liver sellers in Istanbul were all Albanian; not because it is a specific Albanian dish.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 16:52 |
Albanian Soldiers and the Prayer in the House ...
Translate that please ... :)
Arnauds ...
Just an Illustration about the Highlanders ...
Arnaud Soldiers of Iskodra
Look @him , he stands like the saviour of the universe , lol ;)
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 16:56 |
Arnauds in Schkup ( USKUP - Skopje )
An after- Iftar night entertainment of Arnauds .
Schqiptars : ))) Arnauds ...
Arnaud woman and her son .
Arnauds in Istanbul ...
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Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 16:58 |
Translate that please ... :) |
Hard translation into English would be:
Memory from Albania.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2006 at 08:12 |
ok, what are those unique
pants they are wearing?
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Posted: 27-Oct-2006 at 12:06 |
Is that guy cool or what, it looks like he's ready to take on the world.
Great pics Mordoth Bey, the Albanians singing after Iftar is a great pic aswell.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2006 at 12:57 |
what are those unique pants they are wearing? |
They are common among northern Albanians, Montenegrins and Serbs. Though because of their predominance on Albanians, they are more attached to them.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2006 at 13:51 |
It is interesting, even under ottoman army, They have permission to wear that pants.
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Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 12:39 |
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Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 13:30 |
"Albanian Sword Dance" by Paul Ivanovich 19th century - Art Museum,Vienna,Austria
Fencing,Albanians of Montenegro by Paja Jovanoviq
Ferenc Eisenhut (1857-1903), "The Guard", 1902, Oil Painting Creation Year: 1902 Technique: oil on cardboard Inscription:signed: Eisenhut F. Muench(en) (19)02; on reverse inscribed: Albanese Creator: Ferenc Eisenhut
"Albanian Costume",watercolour by J. Cartwright (1813), Benaki Museum,Athens
Albanian Pandours Napoleon's Albanian Troops Ionian/Seven Islands Corps ALBANIAN REGIMENT The
Regiment Albanais had its origins in a Venetian regiment transferred in
to French service in 1797, together with an Albanian militia raised by
the Russians in 1799,which passed to the French when they recovered the
Ionian Islands in 1807.On 12 October that year Napoleon approved the
recruitment of about 3,000 Albanians, most of whom were refugees from
the harsh rule of the local Ottoman governor of the Albanian coast,
Ali-Pasha of Janiana.
Ded Gjon Luli with friends
Scanderbeg memorial at Kruja
Albanian - TRAVELS IN ALBANIA,by F.C.H.L. Pouqueville,Date.1820
Book Illustration of an Albanian Man and Woman From Journey to the Ottoman Empire by F.C. H. Poqueville Date:18th century
ST. SAUVEUR, Jacques - Homme & Femme Albanois.Date:18th century
portrait of Lord Byron in Albanian dress by Thomas Phillips, Date.1835
Albanian from Athens, 1825. Coloured lithograph. Design Dupre, engraving C. Motte. Dupre, L., Paris 1825
Print of Spahi Officer - Date January 1818
Skenderbeg and his Comrads
A view by D.Constantin titled "Albanian Soldier" ( 1860's )
others: Albanian soliders (Skanderbeg's time)
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Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 20:30 |
Thanks for new illustrations my friend .
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Posted: 29-Oct-2006 at 20:57 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Is that guy cool or what, it looks like he's ready to take on the world.
Great pics Mordoth Bey, the Albanians singing after Iftar is a great pic aswell. |
That guy is my new background
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Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 12:47 |
Hehe great picture there... I lived in the city from where this guy is from and the people there are remembered as great warriors. Some of these costumes are really beautiful and I wish i had one at home... too bad was born in city boo.
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Posted: 07-Apr-2007 at 12:49 |
Interesting thread, just discovered it. Thanks guys for posting those interesting pictures and paintings. Germe is an excellent painter, he trully caught their very movements in his works.Most impressive.
I think all the images above reflect the perception people had on Albanians, and the perception we had on ourselves during those times, i.e. a warlike and conservative people. Albanians had developed a warlike culture even during the Middle Age and probably even earlier, which made them quite sought mercenaries. After Albania fell under Ottoman occupation, the Ottomans started incorporating Albanians into their armies because of their impression of us. Initially, it was via the devsirme system, but eventually, we fought in our traditional manner, under our own leaders drawn from our own ranks. Albanians fought in remote lands, such as Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen and Persia, consolidating their reputation of being fierce fighters. Even in the West they made a career as fighters. Albanians from Albania and Greece had fled to Italy during the 1400s due to frequent wars with the Ottomans, and there, they were recruited as soldiers (mainly within the cavalry) in the various western european armies, like in the Venetian, German, French and Spanish forces. They were traditionally known as 'stratiotes', which is actually a Greek word meaning soldier, or warrior. The most notorious mercenary of them all was Merkur Bua, descendant of the noble family Spata-Bua, who were originally from Albania, but had settled in Greece and thereafter Italy.
Napoleon Bonaparte had his own Albanian regiment, but his forces also fought against them in Egypt. Mehmed Ali pasha, founder of the modern state of Egypt, was an Albanian born in Kavala (modern day Greece) who also fought as a mercenary.
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Regarding the term 'Arnaut'; it is the Turkish corruption of the Greek medieval term for Albanians, Arvanites (from Arvanon = Albania). That term in itself, on the other hand, is a corruption from the Albanian word for ourselves, which was Arbr or Arban, or Arbanas (depending on dialect). This term, on the other hand, most probably comes from the name of an ancient Illyrian region mentioned by Polybius, which he called Arbon, and its inhabitants were the Arbanitai. Slavs also adopted this term in the Middle Age, and we were known in their chronicles as Arbanasi, Raban etc.
Mordoth & Bulldog
Haha, yeah, that painting is awesome. It reflects the macho culture which prevailed those times (well, it never got entirely extinguished). The warlike mentality which prevailed back then encouraged people to do extraordinary things and, above all, maintain one's personal honor. These virtues became widely famous, and hence, many quotes can be found on our people that comment on this phenomenon. I'll give you some samples, and you judge for yourselves if the quotes coincide with the proud posing of those warriors presented above;
"The Albanians have been born to resist and disobey."
Dursam Bey, during the second siege of Kruja
"Albanians are considered untouchable on the slave market because of their strong feelings for honour and the need for revenge. "
"They may be only soldiers, but never let them get close to your plate, and don't make them kneel before you, if you don't intend to capitate them."
Pasha Sulejman the Lightened
"The fellows who amuze me are the Albanians. An Albanian on the mash is almost exactly like the medieval swells of the Italian frescoes & the first ones we met quite startled us. They wear the tight-fitting trunk hose made of woolen stuff hooked up the back of the leg. It is white with long black stripes of embroidery down the leg & at the top in front the shirt is pulled through slashes. They are long slim chaps with dandy little moustaches & are most theatrical in effect."
Mary Edith Durham
"Fierce are Albania's children, yet they lack Not virtues, were those virtues more mature. Where is the foe that ever saw their back? Who can so well the toil of war endure? Their native fastessnes not more secure Than they in doubtful time of troublous need: Their wrath how deadly! but their friendship sure, When Gratitude or Valour bids them bleed, Unshaken rushing on where'er their chief may lead."
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Yes, the fustanella was worn among our people as well. Regionally, it was more popular in the south, whereas in the north, the trousers gradually got the over-hand (as seen in the pictures; they're called tirqe, pronounced smth like tirche). However, it was also widespread in the north at some point, and it continued being worn among the aristocracy to a great degree. There's a painting of a man from Sandzak wearing a fustanella, and that's quite north. The region is now is in Serbia and Montenegro.
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Posted: 28-May-2007 at 22:48 |
Are Albanian people in this forum, displeased with the term which sounds truely nice , " Arnaud " ?
I do not know why rivalry within the Albanian people against Turks is escalated that much, but as i emphasized previously , I 've always seen Albanians as my brothers.
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