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    Posted: 22-Sep-2006 at 14:08

The steppes of CA is a beautifull but also a harsh place to live. The proud nomad races live there. But how many nomad races were there accually?

One of the first inhabitants of the steppes were the Sakas(persians). They were drivin away by the invaders of the east The Turks. Then you have The Mongols. So the first race the Sakas were caucasoid(Indo-european speaker), the two other were originaly mongoloid(original as in Turks were originaly pure mongoloid) both altaic speakers.
 
I'm sure most of you allready knew this right.
 
 
the question is.
Is there a 4th race or people?
 
Could it be that the sakas assimilated the local Central asian if not could't the turks have done it. Turks come from now modernday mongolia. So they're east asian(not ethnicly like chinese) Couldn't it have been that the turks assimilated local mongoloid and caucasoid Tribes?
 
What if? 


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So many mistakes my friend.

1. There can't be a term as nomad races. (you should say nomadic people)

2. Saka's are not the first inhabitants of the steppe. Archeological findings can prove ancesteres of Turkic people were living there long before. (2000 BC)

3. Saka and Persians are different stock.

4. Turkic people are not originally Mongoloid. There are plenty of proofs (historical, archeological, genetical) that anscestors of Turkic people originally were caucasoid.

5. Turks didn't come from modern day Mongolia, they were living all along the Tengri mountains and Altai mountains.





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"Saka and Persians are different stock" You could be right about they are not same peopel, but racially and lingusitically Persian are very close to Sakas.

"Turkic people are not originally Mongoloid. There are plenty of proofs (historical, archeological, genetical) that anscestors of Turkic people originally were caucasoid."

So Turkmen, and Kazaks are not Tuirkic, but Mongolian, am I right?
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Turks are cauca-mongoloid.
 
No both of them Turkic,it is about our creation.
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Originally posted by Turk Nomad

Turks are cauca-mongoloid.
 
No both of them Turkic,it is about our creation.


i wouldnt say that if i were you, cause its not proven yet
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Originally posted by shinai



So Turkmen, and Kazaks are not Tuirkic, but Mongolian, am I right?



No, they are Turkic with strong mongolic influence.

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sorry, ancient Turkic people were pure mongoloids. They mixed with local people of huge area that is why diversified. Of course, there were caucasoids (of western european stock) in the Central Asia. But they were not Turkic.
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The Sakas originate from the Proto-Indo-European homeland as all IE people do originally. But they immigrated eastward into the central asian steppes and Altay mountains that's why you have many mongols and central asian turks with white skin and blond hair and light eyes.

The Scythians were an iranic people like persians and medes (baloch + kurds)
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Posts: 17084 		  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2011 at 02:18
Cause of my ignorance will ask you to start here:Egypt&Persian Empires.We had not valuable data before
those two civilizations.Have read that in the beginning were:macedonids(white?),mongoloids and negroids.What did happen next?Pictures in pyramids shows us all of them presented in Egypt.Migrations were always basic character of animal behavior with main purpose:conquering and marking of territories.Rome and Romans had invented new "approach":they have implemented Roman law where did natives have all property rights.Therefore all that had arrived before Romans were erased in history
books.On those rewritten scripts in our new&old Roman law justice system everything belongs to ancestors of Romans.Names&Areas you have used above could have been names of leaders or similar.
Nations&peoples were after Roman concept.Are we aware of this divide et impera concept  inside  modern
world history?
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Original Turks were, and, are mongoloid with minor caucasoid features. Stop selling your semitic and farsi looking people as original turkic. Gokturks, Kyrgyz and Uighurs !!!
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