Muslims and the Caste System

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Ashrafis are original muslims who came from arabia, iran etc.. Non ashrafis are the hindus who were converted.

That would hardly mean anything today though since by now they would have mixed with the native muslims to quite an extent. Similar to how the bombay parsees have also mixed with indians.

The caste system was basically class based. Over a period of time, it bacame birth based. That's what happens now. 

Edited by Vivek Sharma - 14-Sep-2006 at 02:52

Infact the caste system & untouchability exist more so in muhammedanism rather than hinduism. 

well said malizai vivek is biased to the core against muslims and christains.

so i am an indian muslim and i have to add something here.vivek says there is caste system in india which is absolutely rubbish.can i prove it ? yes i can.

vivek i openly challenge you to mention one mosque in india where a person who is in all rags cannot stand beside shoulder to shoulder next to the richest person.(both being muslims)

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Infact the caste system & untouchability exist more so in muhammedanism rather than hinduism.

Originally posted by vivek And also challenge you to tell me why Shias & sunnis are not allowed in each others mosques so often.

Originally posted by cahaya Originally posted by Vivek The theory of islam may be anything, but come to india to see the system. Infact indian muslims are fighting the government for recognition of their cast system as official, since till now the govt...   They are trying to make it legal? wow... this is really.. strange.. but interesting..   well..  if u say for muslims they ar etrying.. do u mean Hindus.. have made theirs legally acceptable?

The Indian government gives reservations to the so called underdeveloped castes, legally.  The muslims & christians are crying that notwithstanding there religion they are also discriminated against in their own religions, so their caste system should also be made legal.

Infact they are right in demanding this, because they have suffered for sonm long & they deserve this. But the upper castes muslims are denying them this right. they say that muhammedanism does not recognise castes, so they muslim castes should not be legally recognised, as it would be unislamic. But then they continue to oppress the poor muslim lower castes & don't give them equality.

Originally posted by Vivek Got more challenges to give, But friend, first you need to answer my question as to how you claim to know more about the original tipu then the original tipu himself.

That subject is for the other thread. Keep this thread for this subject.

Well than waiting for answers on this thread. I was still thinking it's one big empire. AE I mean.

Edited by Vivek Sharma - 11-Oct-2006 at 06:38

Maqsad..Pathan, Arab, Turk, Mughal, are all ethnicities, not castes. Pakistan does not have a caste system, it does have a class system like other countries. Some subcontinentals might claim to be Arab or Mughal or whatever (I really dont know, I havent come across that many), but the important point is in the eyes of the Pakistani law, none of these ethnic groups is recognized as above the other. It might be true that individuals have their own preferences (again I think you've spent too much time on some of the forums mentioned in the other thread), but each person thinks themselves superior to the other group generally. It's no different to one ethnic group thinking they're superior to another in another country. This is not a caste system though..and how can it be if people can pick and choose which ethnic group they are? Generally you get poor people, rich people in every ethnic group in Pakistan, be they Punjabi, Arab, Mughal, Pathan or whatever, and there is no specific job or career each one is destined to do..which makes it very different from a social caste system as the subcontinent knows it. The "purity" of an individual is not determined by which ethnic group they belong to. The occupational status of Pakistanis is also not based on ethnic groupings. These are what forms a caste system. 

Edited by TeldeInduz - 11-Oct-2006 at 22:10