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Originally posted by pinguin ...

Althought i agree greatly with you about eurocentrism, wiht your main argument wich is that the importance is defined according the relation with the west, i must say that he question here isn't the influence of India in the West. In fact, India was until 1960 one of the more importants non europeans actor in western historiography. Why had lost positions with east asian countries, specially Japan and China? This only can be explained according with her geopolitical position.

The problem is not with India or Indian history, but the attitude of non-Indians (including the pre-1947 ones) with India.

I think thats very accurate pinguin 

Vivek Sharma if you are reading, about the 1000 years without invasions, you are forgetting the invasion of Central Asia (1645-1647?) by the Mughal empire under Shah Jahan, against the khan of Samarkand and the Sha Abbas II of Persia, wich conquered Kandahar.

Edited by Ikki - 13-Nov-2006 at 16:13

The military was involved in Goa though, did you not check the link?

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13563

Hyderabad was a different case because he preferred pakistan next to independance & he had his own army which let loose a rein of terror on the Hindu population which started protesting when Nizam decided to prefer Pak & his army also started raiding the adjoining surrounding indian territory. These territories were swarmed by  hindu refugees fleeing the repression of the Nizam whose army would in turn raid India under the pretext of attacking these fleeing refugees. Indian government than realised that Hyderabad being surrounded by India from all sides would become a major security burden, if it were to go to Pakistan & the number of refugees pouring in the neighbouring would be too much for them to handle. 

I agree with what you say about Bangladesh, we were invited. But it doesn't change the instrument of Bangladeshi independence which is the invasion of Indian troops.

Goa and Hyderabad were only known as "police action". For Goa I doubt the police were involved but the army was very much involved. They had every right to be involved, we still had a European power on our subcontinant.

The invasion of Goa was called Operation Vijay (the same name is also given to a operation in Kashmir).

Here is a link on it:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13563

Bangladesh was not an invasion. The Indian troops were invited by the democratically elected government of pakistan, which ws refused their rightfull dues to liberate east pakistan from the tyranny of west pakistani military (Has'nt somebody heard of the slaughter of 3 million bangladeshi muslims by the west paki military) & Indian forces rightfully handed over the government of east pakistan to the democratically government & left after routing the pakistani military. The never occupied in bangladesh, although they could have. They declared an open war to liberate bangladesh & did not resort to terrorism as some countries are doing in kashmir.

Hyderabad & Goa were cases where the indian police (not the army) had to step in when the attroicities on the freedom fighters  brcame unbearable. In Junagadh, the nawab himself abdicated the throne in the face of a people's uprising.

In Kashmir, the Indian army was invited by the King of kashmir after an instrument of accession was signed.

I'll give you Bangladesh too. Can't say Hyderabad was much of an invasion, Goa was more of an invasion than Hyderabad.

Kashmir can't be an invasion as troops were invited in. They havn't left yet, but then again, neither has Pakistan's troops either.

I guess it would be more accurate to say "Indian (subcontinent) states have not conquered outside of the subcontinant for 1000 years" but this itself is wrong because of the Cholas.


Edited by Anujkhamar - 01-Sep-2006 at 10:28

As much as I am going to hate doing this here we go:

Originally posted by vivek sharma 1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.

Heard of the Chola's? Under Maharaja Rajaraja and his father Rajendra they conquered Sri Lanka, the Maldives and huge parts of SE Asia

As for the Sanskrit part, thats just not right.