A question for Mongolian Chinese or Mongolian.

"In fact the term "conquer" is never taught in Chinese history and is solely restricted to western imperialism."

not true!

ive been taught the term "conquer" in chinese history in hk.

"In fact the term "conquer" is never taught in Chinese history and is solely restricted to western imperialism."

if it's said in such wording, it refers to all chinese in general.

to avoid confusion, i suggest u change the wording.

Edited by coolstorm

Well, I bet many Chinese have Mongol blood inside them. The northern nomads intermarried with Han Chinese all the time, and Han Chinese married with others. Dividing people up into ethnic lines isn't very smart to begin with, but I would say that Inner Mongolia has MORE PEOPLE than outer Mongolia.

I have read some books by Mongol authors (translations) from China. Genghis Khan is not depicted as a monster but rather someone who created the united Mongol identity by uniting the interwarring tribes (which are interwarring due to external intervention by the Jurchens).

"I don't think that it is true. The native land of historical mongols was the valleys of Herulen, Onun and Tula rivers. That is now the eastern part of Khalkha-Mongolia.  Today's Mongolia is core of all mongols. "

 

Inner Mongolia has more mongols than outer mongolia, census already showed that, its not just the population, but mongols as a whole. The number is not 400,000, its 4 million where the mongol population of outer mongolia is only 2.5 million.

Actually its the ethnic mongol growth (which more than ripled) through the years that made the population large.

Hello to all
My name is Badema, I am a Kharachin Mongol from Chifeng
inner mongolia, I am using my husband's login to present my
views about how inner mongolians were taught about Qinggis Khan.
Excuse my english, but I told my husband , I need to express views of Mongolian people from Inner Mongolia.
Qinggis Khan is a great leader of Mongol people , he united all mongol people into one great nation.
With regards China, there is no China that time. In the northeast is Jin Guo, who are Nuzhen people. In the Northwest is Xixia Guo, who are Dangxiang people. West of Xixia, is HeiLiao which is Qidan people.
The Nuzhen come from Heilongjiang province near Weihaiwei
which is now called Vladisvostok, the Dangxiang people
come from Tibet and Qinghai, the Qidan people are from
Liaoning. South of these people are the Song . They are Han people. South of Song is Nanzhao Guo.
The only people closest to what westerners like my husband Clive know as chinese are the Song or Han people.
The Nuzhen , Dangxiang, and Qidan have a totally different dialect both written and verbal compare with Han people.
These people , Nuzhen, Dangxiang, Qidan, Han keep fighting each other and also fight with Mongol people. After Qinggis united Mongolia, he met a wise man named Tattatongga, who is a uighur, Tatatongga told Qinggis about stopping the killing and fighting and uniting alll these other people include the Han as well into the great Mongolian empire. So Qinggis listened to him , but Qinggis also know that Jin Guo captured his grandfather and killed his grandfather and also support Tatars to poison his father, so he should bring Jin GUo under his control.
or else they will try to make more trouble later.
But before he can attack Jin Guo , he should bring Xixia to his side. The king of xixia did not want to join Qinggis so he attacked Xixia.
Regarding my ethnicity, I am Kharachin Mongol for many generations, my passport is written in both Han character and mongolian characters. And my nationality is Mongol. I speak putonghua with people outside my home, but at home, we all speak mongolian. There are total of 6 million mongols in China today, they are:
Chahar , Horqin, Kharachin, Barga, Tumaat, and even some Khalkha who live in Xinjiang autonomous region, we also have a few Torgot people in Xinjiang.
The PRC govt recognize Qinggis as anational hero, they made a very good TV series about his life, which my husband likes very much. It is not 100% perfect, but
at least 60% accurate .
thanks for your time and good bye
Badema

6 million true mongols in inner mongolia? It is not true. I know chinese people, who were from Inner Mongolian AR and now live in the city of Cologne. They don't speak mongolian, they have all bad teeth, they look all very chinese. They don't consider them mongolian, they said to me that they were ethnic chinese but they were from Inner Mongolian AR.

Including such people maybe there are 6 million "mongols". But the true mongols in Inner Mongolia are not so numerous, they are about 400 thousend.

I know some inner mongolians and also many outer mongolians, who live in Germany. As I remarked, the inner mongolian dialect is very much influenced by chinese, and they spoke sometimes chinese with one another.  They look also chinese in contrast to the outer mongolian guys. 


 

"the Han culture means China. The term, China, refers to the middle kingdom, and the descendants of Huangdi."

 

Actually it means more geographic and politically. Since both the Jin and Song called their empire the middle kingdom. When the ambassador of Jin asked Genghis to kowtow to the newly enthroned emperor as wastypical of the northern nomads at the time. Genghis spat to the south and said "I thought the emperor of the middle kingdom was suppose to be the son of heaven but now it turns out to be him!"

"It was drived from the chin dynasty which unified the chinese world in 221 bc."

 

Actually the earliest evidence of the word Middle Kingdom was found in the scripts of Western Zhou.

"there was china during that time and it was song. however, north china was occupied by the jerchens. yet, the jerchens were later incorporated into the han culture."

 

To the people of other places, it was Jin since it was more powerful.

Jin is the middle kingdom as was recognized by all of upper Asia, Song was an inferior power, so much bias from an empire that paid tribute to Jin.

It is widely known that china fakes the history and statistics of national minorities. I don't believe that so many mongolians live in inner mongolia. My friend's father studies central asian history and culture, particularly mongolian folklore, songs, dances etc.. He speaks mongolian perfectly and visited outer Mongolia many times, several times inner Mongolia,  also Kyrgyzistan, Kazakhstan and Tuva.

He said the following story:

He found in inner Mongolia someone who speak mongolian with great difficulty. There were a few nomad people, they spoke their native language understandably, but even their language was strongly influenced by chinese. In towns he saw nobody speaking mongolian, the inner mongolians are over sinified. At last he visited a concert, and saw a singer who sang on mongolian. After the concert he wanted to speak with the singer, but the singer said: "I know only the text of the song on mongolian, apart from that I don't speak mongolian" He also visited a university in inner mongolia, but the teacher,who teaches the inner mongolians their native language, speaks self very wrongly and broken mongolian.