The Kargil Conflict

It is this post. For Creation of a rajput the horse is not required. I am getting confused with this kind of History

Lol!! I totally agree with you. Thats the funniest thing I've seen in a while!

(btw, your formatting is a bit off you may wish to fix that)

It is this post. For Creation of a rajput the horse is not required. I am getting confused with this kind of History.   Edited by Rajput - 02 August 2006 at 3:53pm

�If God did not create the horse, he would not have created the Rajput.�

Edited by AP Singh - 20-Sep-2006 at 05:53

Edited by AP Singh - 20-Sep-2006 at 05:27

You are right, the resentment was also just.

But then we are Indians & there is something like Indian Chivalry (I wish it did'nt exist) & ethics whose tradition we have to keep maybe just for the sake of continuity. knowing fully well that we have had to pay a very heavy price for this whether it be Prithviraj Chauhan releasing a defeated tyrannt from captivity or General Aurora having pity on the poor paki soldiers.

Originally posted by AP Singh In Delhi I have seen many Pathans earlier selling herbal medicines (equivalent to Viagra ( before the invention of Viagra ofcourse now they are out of business) in very provocative and unparliamentray but humorous language and I thought that is the actual profession of Pathans. But that was due to my poor knowlegde about them.   Now I came to know through website that Imran Khan is also a pathan. I remember one of his interview after the Pakistani cricket team beaten team India captained by Sunil Gavaskar in Pakistan. He told firmly that he want to beat team cricket India in India and he has done that in the very next series. What a great cricketer. In his recent interview to India TV he advocated for strong friendly relationship between India and pakistan.  Through this website I came to know that he is Niaji Pathan and immedaitely struck to my mind the name of another Niaji Pathan, the General Niaji who surrendered with more one lakhs of his troops in 1971 war to the Indian army.

Your memory is brilliant & so must be your timing when you bat in cricket.

Another thing I remember from that war was that this pathan general  Niazi was not willing to surrender. His talks with his counterparts in Western Pakistan on radio, which were also heard by the Indian interceptors, reveal that he was afraid that the whole pak army would be slaughtered by bangladeshis, who were furious at the tyranny which the pak soldiers had committed on them. (More than 3000 bengali muslim women were found as rape victims, being used as sex slaves in the bunkers of the Pak army) He was  exhorting the western pakistanis to launch a naval attack on bangladesh to save the trapped & defeated pak army & when it was pointed out to him that it would be impossible for Pak navy to even get beyond Bombay, he pleaded with them to pressure USA to attack India with their seventh fleet, which was positioned nearby.

When the Indian commander was told about this, he himself took the radio & talked to Niazi that the match was over & he would treat the pak army as the winning team treats a loosing team in any match. (Niazi & the Indian commander had previously played for the same Hockey team) He was also told that the surrender was the better option out for him, the other being slaughtered by the Inidan army.

When Niazi heard this from one of his closest past friends, he decided to surrender. Rest is history.

Originally posted by maqsad When I was a kid I thought pathan just meant "kidnapper" for a while. Some people use it in that context in to scare little kids into not leaving the house and roaming around.

Interesting, when I was a kid, I thought it meant money grabber, because my parrents used to say If you cry pathans would come & take your gullak (piggybank) away. later I discovered it was because pathans had a great reputation as money collectors, they used to be employed as money or debt collectors.

I live in an area where we dont have Pathans. Among Punjabis there are Gujjars also and we can not disginguish between them untill we are specifically told by them.

They're considering it.

Well Said. BTW brother Telde is a Pakistani based in paraguay on AE.

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Originally posted by AP Singh Originally posted by TeldeInduz Dividing Pak up further wont make much difference. The big genetic differences are where the Sarawasti River is. Punjab is a difficut one, but I believe the Sarawasti ran through the middle of it, so it is perhaps also not a bad marker. But I'll agree Punjab should be fully incorporated into Pakistan and then that would be an even better natural border.   But why Saraswati for that matter. How many rivers flows through Pakistan. Based on this logic the people living on both sides of the banks of these rivers should have genetic differences and should be further divided.   If Punjab can be incorporated into Punjab of Pakistan ( Since it was divided) , why Pakistan can not be incorporated in India? You are right Mr. Singh, telde has himself said earlier that the position on the sides of the durand line is also same, He will aslo agree with you on this river thing, To the north of these rivers is NWFP, which is of course very different genetically from the punjabi paki. There genetic make up is more aligned to the Afghans, thats what they are & as soon as the Afghan nation becomes more stable &they get some time (it will very shortly with help from the West, US & India ), they will come back to work on the unification of two genetically similiar people spread on both sides of the durand line. To the south west of these rivers lies baloochistan, whose people had realised even before telde that they had a different genetic make up from the pakistanis, as they were staying on that side of the rivers, That's why they started their freedom struggle for independence from Pakistan, If you look at sindhis closely, you will see that they are the most genetically different from this entire lot. Just a cursory glance at their physiques & appearance can make that out. They had also relaised long back this genetic difference & there were moveents for their independence, till they decided that it was better first to take advantage of the resources of the Punjab & develop Karachi into a world class city & Sindh into an economic powerhouse before going for full freedom.