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    Posted: 01-Aug-2006 at 15:43
There are sources that indicate that the mongols were very close to the turkic people of CA. Could it not be that Mongol was a tribe name they gave themselves because they were the leading elite? That also explains why their army was mostly turkic, and only the leading tribes were mongols.
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Why don't share your sources with us?
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Originally posted by Feanor

Why don't share your sources with us?
 
 
yeah
 
btw cool avatarShocked
I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage
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Who are the mongols' mother-father nations?
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Funny question, there is no way to say mother-father nation for an ethnic group.
 
Disregarding some mixing between the neighbour nations, a general picture is :
 
Mongols----Mengwu Shiwei--------Xianbei (Siyanpi)--------Donghu (Tunggus)
 
Huns defeated Donghu. Donghu had two branches, one is Xianbei and the other is Wu huan.
 
Nothern wei, Sui etc Dynasties were Xianbei (Tuoba) origin.
 
Qitans were mainly from Wuhuan, the rulers of Liao dynasty.
 
Manchu (ruler of Qing dynasty) were Jurjan origin also related to Donghu.
 
Tonggus in Uyghur turkic language means Pig, although we also use Choshqa.
 
Hitay (Qitay, Qidan) means Chinese now.
 
 
 
 
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Sorry,ı used it because Turks have only two mother nations.
And thanks.
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Originally posted by Urungu Han

Sorry,ı used it because Turks have only two mother nations.
And thanks.
Oh, what are they?
BTW, what does mother-father nation mean, dose it mother nation? And what dose mother nation exactly mean?
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Toluy, I think you are trolling.
 
Anyway, I think I can tell you what he means.  I already told him the nonsense of seperating mother and father nations. But you can use "two mother nations" to desribe certain ancestors of a nation. If a present day nation has two very significant ethnic contribution from ancient ancestors, then you can say they are the two mother nations. In this sense, He might mean that the two mother nations of the people in Turkey are the Turks from Central Asia and the Local Anatolians.
 
 
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Originally posted by Toluy

Originally posted by Urungu Han

Sorry,ı used it because Turks have only two mother nations.
And thanks.
Oh, what are they?
BTW, what does mother-father nation mean, dose it mother nation? And what dose mother nation exactly mean?
 
Alpins and Asian redskins friend.
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Mongol's homeland is not the Republic of Mongolia, but
the Hulun Buir grasslands of western Manchuria.
More specifically around the arguna river.
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Exactly, ancient Mongols were originated from there. But present day Mongols mixed with the remnant locals in Mongolia. They have ancestors native to this land.
 
 
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I heard about there are the last congregated descendents of Mongols in Crimea except the Republic of Mongolia. I wonder some current condition about them. Anyone knows?



Edited by Toluy - 22-Aug-2006 at 03:10
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their condition are better than other nationalities in china.
they have more scholars,Phds and others.
and they are very proud of themselves.
but they were not related to turkic people in the beginning.
only mixed later.
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Uyghur Aryan
An aryan uyghur.
You must have studied in europe. In Germany?
Be proud of your own Turkic heritage.
Dont be a wanna be
Since the very beginning in every source Uyghurs are apparently Turkic.
Do not re write history.
Uyghurs are one of our dearest brothers.
Our heritage is common.
History is common
Language is common
And go and ask to your grandfathers . They will call themselves Turk or Muslim alongside Uyghur.
And stop this Aryan confusion
We are all ,-all Turkic nations are altaic to some extent
and caucasoid to some extent
Not only Uyghurs all Turks are a mix of Asiatic and Caucasoid.
Your country under Chinese invasion and occupation is called Turkestan for ages.
Uyghurs fought for an Independent East Turkestan Sharki Trkistan
Your all past is full of Turkic consciousness and pride.
Claiming to be an Aryan should be an insult for an ordinary Uyghur.
I think you should shame on you.
Come back to earth.
No need to discover America again.
 
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Modern Khalkha-Mongols have no relation to Genghis-Khan's "Mongols"  -Kereits, Naimans, Jalairs, Qongyrats, Onguts, etc., who all spoke Turkic language (including Genghis Khan himself), and now are parts of modern Kazakhs. Khalha-Mongols  renamed ALL geographical names mentioned in the Secret Histrory includng Genghis Khan's sacred  Burkhan Khaldun mountain! Today it is Tzagaan-Uul.  They used stones of Genghis-Khanites capital Qara Qorum to build their Buddhist monastery. Only a single thing survived in Qara Qorum - stone turtle. Just these two facts are enough to any reasonable person as a proof that modern Khalkha-Mongols are not descendants of Genghis Khan's "Mongols".
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Originally posted by Akskl

Modern Khalkha-Mongols have no relation to Genghis-Khan's "Mongols"  -Kereits, Naimans, Jalairs, Qongyrats, Onguts, etc., who all spoke Turkic language (including Genghis Khan himself), and now are parts of modern Kazakhs. Khalha-Mongols  renamed ALL geographical names mentioned in the Secret Histrory includng Genghis Khan's sacred  Burkhan Khaldun mountain! Today it is Tzagaan-Uul.  They used stones of Genghis-Khanites capital Qara Qorum to build their Buddhist monastery. Only a single thing survived in Qara Qorum - stone turtle. Just these two facts are enough to any reasonable person as a proof that modern Khalkha-Mongols are not descendants of Genghis Khan's "Mongols".


Alski you've posted this rubbish before, why repeat false information ?
rgds.

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This is not "false information". If you want, I can present direct links as proofs, as I always did before.
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First of all. What do you mean by Central Asia Turks?Kazakhs and Kirgizs?
if so, maybe they have much common with Mongols.

In Kazakhstan, new era of nationalism began. They are claiming that Temujin was not Mongol but Turk. Young scientists who doesnot know anything but copy and plagiarize from external resources are telling many stories about Chengiz Khan.

I DONT BELIEVE THAT HE WAS TURK. Turks were civilized nations, Look at scholars in Central Asia. Turkic poetry! NO! NO!

Temujin only destroyed. IF HE IS TURK THEN UZBEKS ARE NOT TURK.

 

if Kazakh people are very close to Mongols it does not make Mongols Turkic. Maybe those CA turks are Mongols?

 

*EDITED EXCLAMATIONS*
 
Keep your sentiments under control. Thanks.
    


Edited by Seko - 27-Aug-2006 at 11:03
...i dont need this...
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The Mongols were Mongols during that period anyway.
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Originally posted by Savdogar

First of all. What do you mean by Central Asia Turks?Kazakhs and Kirgizs?
if so, maybe they have much common with Mongols.
In Kazakhstan, new era of nationalism began. They are claiming that Temujin was not Mongol but Turk. Young scientists who doesnot know anything but copy and plagiarize from external resources are telling many stories about Chengiz Khan.
I DONT BELIEVE THAT HE WAS TURK. Turks were civilized nations, Look at scholars in Central Asia. Turkic poetry! NO! NO!
Temujin only destroyed. IF HE IS TURK THEN UZBEKS ARE NOT TURK.
 
if Kazakh people are very close to Mongols it does not make Mongols Turkic. Maybe those CA turks are Mongols?
 
PLEASE STOP tHis StuPidNess. WHY YOU ARE CULTIVATING THIS BARBAR WHO DESTROYED AND RAPED WOMEN. ALL THE NATIONS SUFFERED FROM HIM.AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry
 
 
 
I HATE HIM
 
 
Good Luck!
 
 
Aksakal, Чингизхан БЫЛ МОНГОЛОМ.
 
how do you think uzbekistan got his name uzbek beg ring a bell in the mongol horde so if you feel that the mongols should feel ashamed or guilty uzbeks and all  other turks who were in the armies should also feel ashamed


Edited by xi_tujue - 27-Aug-2006 at 08:44
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