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Topic: what did Genghis khan speak Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 14:30 |
Genghis khan one of the greatest generals of the world the punishment of God.
what kind of language did he speak I heard that he spoke some kind of turkic is this true
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 15:36 |
Its not really clear, and there are not many sources about it. I think it was turkic, cause it was a language that most people did speak back then.
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 17:45 |
Since Cengiz Han was a Mongol I think we should just assume he spoke a Mongol language. I heard he was a Buryat Mongol, so he probably spoke that Mongol dialect.
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Posted: 23-Jul-2006 at 17:51 |
Cengiz Han probaly spoke some Mongol dialect from the tribe which he came from.
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Posted: 24-Jul-2006 at 03:57 |
People know that his mother was Turk friend,his mother could be teached him Turkish.
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Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 12:26 |
Originally posted by Feramez
Since Cengiz Han was a Mongol I think we should just assume he spoke a Mongol language. I heard he was a Buryat Mongol, so he probably spoke that Mongol dialect. |
His probable birthplace is now inhabitated by Buryats, but that doesn't mean that he was a Buryat himself.
If we'd judge from the script he had introduced, wouldn't he have spoken something closer to modern-day Inner Mongolian dialects?
Edited by yan. - 25-Jul-2006 at 12:26
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Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 12:40 |
Originally posted by Urungu Han
People know that his mother was Turk friend,his mother could be teached him Turkish. |
if jis mother was turk he must have spoken turkic language because his father was killed when he was young
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Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 18:30 |
"Chinggis Stone Inscription"
In 1818. Russian scholar L. N. Spaski, while studying Russia s ancient history in Siberia, discovered an inscribed stone monument near the Kharhiraa River, in what is now the Chita province of Russia. The inscription was carved in the ancient Mongolian script. At the time of the discovery, Spaski thought that the findings belonged to the Kuandai Ruins of ancient, Siberian Russia, not realising that the monument would amount to invaluable testimony of the Mongolian people, Mongolian Language and Mongolian culture of writing.
It was not until after the monument was taken to St. Petersburg breaking into two pieces along the way in 1832 that real research began on the artefact. From that time on, the stone monument became known as "Chinggiss Stone Inscription", because the words "Chinggis Khaan" are the first two carved upon it. Some scholars call it "Yesunkheis (Esunhe) Stone Inscription" Yesunkhei was one of Chinggis Khaans nine generals because the meaning of the inscription concerns his achievement in archery. In the year of his discovery, Spaski transcribed the five lines of script on the stone. Mongolian history scholars Schmidt and B. Dorj attempted to make out the words on the monument from 1833 to 1848, but were unsuccessful due to the time-worn conditions of the inscription.
I. N. Klukin was also unable to read the monument s more illegible marks.
One hundred and forty-four years after Spaski s discovery, Mongolian archeologist and scholar Kh. Perlee interpreted todays accepted reading of the monument and corrected the mistaken transcriptions of previous scholars.
The inscription can be explained in the following way:
- "Chinggis hagan-i Sartagul irgen daguliju hamug Monggol Ulus un arad-i Bukha Cotsihai hurigsan tur Esunhe Hongodorun gruban jagud guchin tabun alda dur ontudlu-ga"
It can be translated into modern Mongolian language in following way:
-" Chinggis Haan Sartuul irgeniig daguulj buuj Hamag Mongol Ulsiin ard Buhai Sochihaid hursand Esunge Chongodorun gurban zuun guchin tavan (335) aldad onoloo"
It can translated into English in following way: -"After Chinggis Khaan conquered the Sartuul Dynasty [in Central Asia] in 1224, all Mongolian lords met on the Bukha-Sojikhai steppe. There, Yesunkhei, with a bow and arrow, hit a target from a 335-arm-span distance"
The original monument is now kept in the Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg, Russia. In 1998, Mongolian sculptors created a likeness of the original monument for the Mongolian National Museum in Ulaanbaatar.
Some note:
- Sartuul is mongol name for Khoresm.
- By modern estimates, a one-arm-span length is just over 1.6 metres a total distance of 335 arm-span is over 535 metres. This is one proof that Mongol archery was superior at that time.
- It was found not far from a site that formed part of the territory of Esunhe. Esunhe (1190-1270) was the son of Hasar and a confidant of his uncle Genghis Khan, carrying out secret missions for the Great Khan. Later he was a close associate of other Mongol khans - Ogedei (1186-1241), Mungke (1208-1270) and Kubilai (1215-1294)
- Immortalised as "Chinggis Stone Inscription", the writing is significant in Mongolian history, for it represents the long-held orthographic "custom" or "rule of respect" used in old Mongolian script and in Mongolian language. The rule is that the names of leaders and lords always preface, as it were, poems and literature. The fact that Chinggis Khaans name appears first in the inscription shows that the rule has been in place for well over 800 years, if not longer.
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I believe this is proof that Chinggis Khaan spoke Mongolian language first.
You guys who say he spoke turkic should come up with some solid facts. Without facts and evidence, your argument is just another BLAH BLAH BLAH
Edited by Zorigo - 26-Jul-2006 at 11:12
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 04:24 |
Originally posted by Urungu Han
People know that his mother was Turk friend,his mother could be teached him Turkish. |
Show me source where it is written that his mother is Turk ?
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 10:17 |
Originally posted by yan.
His probable birthplace is now inhabitated by Buryats, but that doesn't mean that he was a Buryat himself.
If we'd judge from the script he had introduced, wouldn't he have spoken something closer to modern-day Inner Mongolian dialects? | No, he was born in northern Khetnii, place called Deluun boldog. Why is it inhabited by Buryats?
Edited by SaikhaNBayar - 26-Jul-2006 at 10:19
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 10:40 |
wasnt he khalkhala?
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 14:14 |
it is not important what he was ,but he definitely spoke TURKIC. If you dont agree then show a reliable source indicating he spoke mongolian. His army mainly consisted of turks , so its logical he spoke turkic. It could also be he spoke turkic and mongolian ( if there was a difference between them )
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 14:42 |
Originally posted by Afsar Beghi
it is not important what he was ,but he definitely spoke TURKIC. If you dont agree then show a reliable source indicating he spoke mongolian. |
Here you are. Reliable source indicating that he spoke Mongol language.
This inscription in "Chinggiss Stone Inscription", It was written after Chinggis Khaan conquered Khoresm and returned homeland in 1223 он.
- "Chinggis hagan-i Sartagul irgen daguliju hamug Monggol Ulus un arad-i Bukha Sotsihai hurigsan tur Esunhe Hongodorun gurban jagud guchin tabun alda dur ontudlu-ga"
If you find anything in turkic language, let me know
Edited by Zorigo - 26-Jul-2006 at 15:40
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 14:50 |
do you think youre funny, playtime is over kid. A picture is not a source without explanation.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 15:07 |
Originally posted by Afsar Beghi
do you think youre funny, playtime is over kid. A picture is not a source without explanation.
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get your explanation above 2 posts.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 15:25 |
that script is called turkic script not orkun but turkic the turks if I'm not wrong got it from the armenians and the armeniams got it from the persians thats just persian script verticaly. the mongolians had no script all the "paperwork" was done by turks.
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 15:32 |
dude it was based on the sogdian alphabet, (The Sogdian alphabet is derived from Syriac, the descendant script of the Aramaic alphabet, WIKI) But this theory could be wrong too. And dont believe everything you read , armenians have nothing to do with this.
Edited by Afsar Beghi - 26-Jul-2006 at 15:33
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 15:50 |
Originally posted by Zorigo
Originally posted by Afsar Beghi
do you think youre funny, playtime is over kid. A picture is not a source without explanation.
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get your explanation above 2 posts. |
dude that script is based on the Uigarjin Mongolian script, which is also known as the uyghur script, which was turkic (this is a fact!).
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 17:20 |
Originally posted by Afsar Beghi
[QUOTE=Zorigo][QUOTE=Afsar Beghi]do you think dude that script is based on the Uigarjin Mongolian script, which is also known as the uyghur script, which was turkic (this is a fact!).
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Yes. we all know Chinggis khaan got Uigur scholar Tatatunga who tought Mongols to become literate. Since then it is called Old Mongol script.
I thought , we were discussing about language.
I sorry to say that I started to doubt your ability to carry on normal discussion.
Edited by Zorigo - 26-Jul-2006 at 17:23
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Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 18:40 |
According to the book "The Mongols" written by David Morgan, if I am not mistaken, the language he spoke is an archaic form of Mongolian that still survives (although close to extinction) in portions of westen Afghanistan, notably the city of Herat. The language, the author referred to is called "Nikudari" which was named after the popular Mongol general, Neguder.
The language Nikudari is synonymous with Mogholi and I believe there are only about 300 speakers left, most of whom, live in the above mentioned town in the outskirts of Herat, Afghanistan.
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