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    Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 09:20

Like Pakistan under Musharaf vs. next-door Iran under the mullah's.

Pakistan under Musharaf is currently a secular military dictatorship . . . a relatively benign one at it.  Next-door Iran is an Islamic Republic where Democracy as in "majority rule" is practiced, much to the detriment of the unprotected minority.
 
In an idealized world, non-denominational representative republic (like the US) or even with a titular monarch (like the Netherlands) are probably the most conducive to personal freedom and ecomic prosperity.  However, for much of the world, such a choice is not viable yet . . . just look at what a mess Iraq has turned into under the tutelage of "liberals mugged by reality" (Carl Rove's definition of "neoconservative") yet forgot all that mugging altogether and back in their social engineering dreamland.  For places like that, including much of middleast, the realistic choice really is between dictatorship vs. dictatorship by mullahs under the disguise of democracy.
 
Let's not forget, religious freedom was put into large scale practice only twice in world history.  The first time was under the Mongol military dictatorship, in order to rule their polyglot land empire.  The second time by the Dutch (and subsequently the rest of West), only after decades of mutual slaughter between Protestants and Catholics. 


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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 09:30

The second time by the Dutch, only after decades of mutual slaughter between Protestants and Catholics. 

A war between a Catholic and a Protestant country does not automatically make a religious war. The Spanish king wanted the Dutch catholic, the Dutch wanted freedom of choice.

 
But I agree with a lot in your post. Very intelligent remarks. Thanks.


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I was referring to the Thirty-Year's War in Europe, which finally put an end to the Netherland theater Eighty-Year's War in 1648, with the treaty of Westphalia and establishment of the independent Dutch Republic, as opposed to netherland prinvinces in the Spanish Empire,  in the same year.
 
The Dutch were always ahead their time, often through learning from other people's mistakes.  It just took a lot of bloodshed to convince those in political power, like the Spanish absolutist monarchs . . . as unfortunately usually the case in human history.     
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  Quote R_AK47 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2006 at 00:44
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Personal privacy and democracy are completely incompatable because the will of the people is always trite and conformist.  The current King of Morrocco is a far more benevolent ruler than most elected ones.   
 
 
 
I wonder if all those political prisoners rotting away in sub-human conditions in prisons in Morocco agree. I very seriously doubt it.
 
 
 
What political prisoners?  Do you have proof of any political prisoners being held in Morocco?  If there are any, there are probably many good reasons why they are locked up in "sub-human" conditions.  They are criminals and enemies of the state.  What else are they supposed to do with them?
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2006 at 03:55
http://asvdh.net/english/new-petition/
 
 
Just google "political prisoners morocco", and you get plenty of hits.
 
No-one deserves to be treated sub-human. No-one, but you obyiously do not understand the term 'political prisoner'. A political prisoner is locked up because he differs from opinion with the government or because he opposes the government. These are people being punished for having an opinion of their own in a country that has no freedom of speech. Imagine Bush locking up all who disagree with him without proper trial. Would you accept that as normal?


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Amnesty International is a very biased originization with information that is not to be trusted.  Most of the propaganda they dream up are complete lies.
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  Quote Aelfgifu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2006 at 14:12
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Amnesty International is a very biased originization with information that is not to be trusted.  Most of the propaganda they dream up are complete lies.
 
Yes, and aliens are controlling the government. Very simple is it, just living in denial.

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Leftist dictatorships call AI fascist, rightwing dictatorships call AI communist, which is the best evidence that AI is objective.
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