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The Chargemaster
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Topic: Are Christians more tolerant than Muslims Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 13:04 |
Well, bg_turk, do you think, that your beloved turkish rulers, would return the freedom of the balkan countries, without the actions these "christian terorists" ?!?
I don`t believe that, and i know that the other members from the christian balkan countries have the same opinion...
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 13:53 |
Originally posted by The Chargemaster
Well, bg_turk, do you think, that your beloved turkish rulers, would return the freedom of the balkan countries, without the actions these "christian terorists" ?!? |
The collapse of Turkish rule was not due to these terrorists but the interests of the Great Powers. The Balkan people were powerless to confront the Ottoman Empire alone, and the actions of these terrorists only served as a provocation to the Muslims and as a pretext for their subsequent reprisals against the Christians, which in turn created public outrage in the Christian superpowers and simply accelerated the inevitable - the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which would have sooner or later happened anyway. It it weren't for the Russians in the case of Bulgarians, and the Brittish in the case of Greeks I do not believe you would have been able to establish and sustain your own states simply as a result of the actions of a few hayduks and chetniks, especially having in mind that the populations were mixed and there were many Muslims who were supportive of the Ottoman Empire on those same lands on which the Christians wanted to establish their own seperates states.
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Mortaza
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:12 |
They were not worse than young turks, were they? I am sure less turk suffered because of them.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:40 |
The collapse of Turkish rule was not due to these terrorists but the interests of the Great Powers.
Without the Egyptians and the civil war between Hellen warlords,the Turkish forces would have collapsed much sooner during the Revolution.
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Mortaza
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:44 |
Errr. If ottomans did not just destroyed their main army, they would not need egyptians. I think this can continue forever:)
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:46 |
Whose main army?
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akritas
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:52 |
Chargemaster as I see there are some dreamlovers of the Ottoman Empire. An Ottoman empire that all lived well but the bad christians, with the help of the also bad Christian Great Powers like Russia and Britain give the ignite to the bad Christians to ask for FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY. The bad Christians!!!
How many times I said Bad Christians ?4-5 ...who knows and also who take care ? But of course The Bad Christians of the Ottoman Empire !!!!!
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:53 |
at 1926(If I dont remember wrong, one year before greek independence) ottomans killed all jeniserries. Infact That army was already non-effective before 1926 too.
Ottomans army even bombed istanbul at 1908.(From sea)
Anyway as always, we are far from real topic.
Edited by Mortaza - 05-Jun-2006 at 15:56
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 16:04 |
You mean 1826.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 16:11 |
christian tolerant yes we see what happened in iraq
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 16:15 |
Originally posted by bleda
christian tolerant yes we see what happened in iraq |
THe Iraq conflict is not a Christian-Muslim war. Is an Dispenser of Oil war
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 20:48 |
Originally posted by akritas
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christian tolerant yes we see what happened in iraq |
THe Iraq conflict is not a Christian-Muslim war. Is an Dispenser of Oil war |
[/quote] And there is the problem summed up in its entirety. Any act that a muslim commits must be because of Islam, but any act a Christian commits probably has nothing to with Christainity. EDIT: Someone really needs to look at this quote formatting. Its impossible to press the quote button anymore
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 21:58 |
That is a good point Omar. However, when a Christian nation attacks it
doesnt say "in the name of Jesus", while most muslim "forces", wage a
"holy"war againt their enemies...even Azerbaijan (just out of the
"godless" USSR) declared a holy war on Armenia during the
Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan is probably as muslim-moderate as
you can get.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 22:12 |
I havn't thought this topic could turn to a conflict between Christianity and Islam.
Ok, let me make clear my point, perhaps you guys stop talking about religions, but talk about Muslim Society and Christian Society. I mean i like to talk about the Muslim and Christ people.
And err... my turkish fellow forumers, would you pleaes please for good's sake stop to talk about turkish collapse or young Turks or stuffs like that? in near all forums we have to read something related to Turks. I mean arkadashler would you please stay on topic? Thank you very much (cok cok teshekor edarim)
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 22:36 |
Originally posted by mamikon
That is a good point Omar. However, when a Christian nation attacks it
doesnt say "in the name of Jesus", while most muslim "forces", wage a
"holy"war againt their enemies...even Azerbaijan (just out of the
"godless" USSR) declared a holy war on Armenia during the
Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan is probably as muslim-moderate as
you can get.
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Have you forgotten already what Bush called the invasion of Iraq? A CRUSADE ... which is precisely the christian version of jihad.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 22:51 |
has he really? in what context...where did you hear/read that?
still, it does seem like an isolated case, to my knowledge.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 23:30 |
Originally posted by bg_turk
Originally posted by mamikon
That is a good point Omar. However, when a Christian nation attacks it
doesnt say "in the name of Jesus", while most muslim "forces", wage a
"holy"war againt their enemies...even Azerbaijan (just out of the
"godless" USSR) declared a holy war on Armenia during the
Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan is probably as muslim-moderate as
you can get.
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Have you forgotten already what Bush called the invasion of Iraq? A CRUSADE ... which is precisely the christian version of jihad.
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He did say that, but everyone here knows that Iraq isn't about spreading Christianity or defending it. I will say that when it comes to the public-relations issue, Muslims are far behind Christians when it comes to being seen as fanatical. -on a side note, is "Toleranter" even a word?
Edited by Illuminati - 05-Jun-2006 at 23:42
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 23:44 |
Originally posted by bg_turk
Originally posted by mamikon
That is a good point Omar. However, when a Christian nation attacks it doesnt say "in the name of Jesus", while most muslim "forces", wage a "holy"war againt their enemies...even Azerbaijan (just out of the "godless" USSR) declared a holy war on Armenia during the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan is probably as muslim-moderate as you can get. |
Have you forgotten already what Bush called the invasion of Iraq? A CRUSADE ... which is precisely the christian version of jihad.
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The word crusade is often used without a religious connotation in the United States at least. If you take up any sort of struggle for what you believe is a noble cause, you could call it a crusade.
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Maziar
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 23:53 |
@Illumiati, to be fanatic or have fanatical thought or even live a religion fanaticaly is a different thing than words of hate, cutting throats and blowing himself in public places. In the USA there are fanatic religious christian people, like mormons, have you ever seen or heared they burn danish flag? or blow themselves and kill another innocent people? but Muslim people do this, and many of them are not even devout.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 23:54 |
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by bg_turk
Originally posted by mamikon
That is a good point Omar. However, when a Christian nation attacks it doesnt say "in the name of Jesus", while most muslim "forces", wage a "holy"war againt their enemies...even Azerbaijan (just out of the "godless" USSR) declared a holy war on Armenia during the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan is probably as muslim-moderate as you can get. |
Have you forgotten already what Bush called the invasion of Iraq? A CRUSADE ... which is precisely the christian version of jihad.
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The word crusade is often used without a religious connotation in the United States at least. If you take up any sort of struggle for what you believe is a noble cause, you could call it a crusade. |
Yes this is true.
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