Pornography

You make it sound as if people who see pornography differently from you either embrace pornography or are indfferent to it. That's simply not the case.     I am sorry about that, that was not my intent.  What my intent was was to try to help people see what the dangers of pornography are. 

Edited by Le Renard - 26-May-2006 at 15:11

 -Le Renard, I'd say that you are an active participant in the destruction of society. I especially liked that statistic you brought up; �the vice squad advised that 72 percent of the individuals arrested for rape and child-related sexual offenses had in their possession some type of pornographic material�.

 -100% of the people who commit crimes eat on a regular basis, it is time to ban food.... Sex and sexual content is part of humanity, sex is one of our strongest urges as it's pivotal to the future existance of humanity and that is why so many people have sexual content on their computers. I think it would be interesting to see how large a percentage of the law-abiding population has sexual content in their posession(This includes erotic novels which to women is pretty much the same as a nude photograph). That statistic would probably be somewhere in the 90% area.

 -And the letter, the letter..... What's that about? It just goes on to prove my statement that supression never works. Religion of the Abrahamic branch is responsible for this, not pornography! How can you blame pornography? The person who got "addicted" did so of his own will, it was not forced upon him and it is he who is responsible for everything that happened due to his "addiction". It disgusts me to know that there are people like that out there, I would rather hang out with a pedophile than someone with such a distorted view on life as the person discussed in that letter.

 -And as for your last post, civilizations haven't just imploded, it's always been due to an external force or a natural force. Rome didn't just collapse in on itself, it was the dilution of power, the growing force of barbarian tribes to the north, the civil unrest in most parts of the empire and the loss of momentum as Roman expansion halted which led to it's demise and other civilizations have collapsed after the demise of it's leaders(Alexander, Mongol Empire, several Japanese shogunates, Chinese empires and so on). Wars and natural catastrophes have taken care of most other civilizations

 -Just about anyone I know have pornography in some form and none of them have had their families or relationships destroyed because of it. Neither do I know anyone who is addicted to pornography. You can't be addicted to pornography, it's just illogical. Pornography is just a visualization of a sexual act and it is the sexual act that the viewer is after, not the pornographic material. Obese people don't have pictures of food everywhere on their walls.

 -The only way you could get "addicted" to pornography was if your sexual needs were not being satisfied and so it's not an addiction, it's an alternative to a missing part of your life. No matter what you do your sexual urges will still be as potent as ever and they will have to be satisfied in some way, pornography is just an aide, like a dildo for instance.

 -I am appaled at your distorted view of sex and life in general Le Renard and I hope you get out of your bubble and start thinking about things logically, not due to morals and meanings forced upon you by religion, family or friends. If you do that and still come to the same conclusion you had before then get back here and explain using rational thought and logic to argue your case.

"Studies, studies, studies, does everything have to have scientific proof to be true?"

 -Yes, it does. It's not I who tried to argue my case by posting statistics from the 70s. You are truly conservative.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Arnold Toynbee has pointed out that 19 of 21 civilizations have died from within and not by conquest from without. Could you name some of them?

Edited by Le Renard - 26-May-2006 at 16:35

Originally posted by Le Renard Originally posted by Mixcoatl Arnold Toynbee has pointed out that 19 of 21 civilizations have died from within and not by conquest from without. Could you name some of them? Nephites, Lamanites, Jacobites,

I did a quick Internet search and found out that those are all peoples from the Book of Mormon. I don't intend to offend you, but that probably means they are fictional, and the stories of their fall have been made up to serve as a parable.

I'd rather have some real historical examples.

I don't agree with Roadkill that pornography addiction doesn't exist. Many things could be potentially addictive, and pornography is definately one of them. However, if you want to outlaw pornography completely because it's addictive, you should be consequent and also outlaw smoking, alcohol, gambling or even buying. And I don't think those are things many people are willing to outlaw.


Edited by Mixcoatl - 26-May-2006 at 16:41

The issue of pornography is a really complex one and I think trying to categorize people (those for and against censorhip) into the "liberal" or "conservative" camp is really oversimplifying it and doing the debate on it a disservice.

Edited by flyingzone - 26-May-2006 at 17:23

I believe that hormone is called endorphin.

Originally posted by Genghis I believe that hormone is called endorphin.

Originally posted by Roadkill  -White Dragon, that list of yours is it a list of civilizations that have collapsed from within? If so then they're all wrong. Read up on the history of these civilizations.

actually for the romans, i was suggesting the constant civil wars, the the "moral Decay"
for the incans again i was refering to the civil war right before the spainards came
when i said the aztecs, i was refering to the other natives who joined the spainards, who made the conquering of the aztecs possible (at least Initially, eventually the spainards would have won even without native assitance)
and for the chinese, i was actually refering to the many dynasties that fell to internal strife.
all in all, i wasn't refering to pornograpghy, i was just refering to internal decay and strife that
led to the collaspe.

Edited by white dragon - 27-May-2006 at 20:37