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    Posted: 21-Jun-2006 at 07:51
Jihad aganist Turks ?
 
lol ..
 
if they dont know what does mean Jihad its their problem ..
 
We covered them aganist crusader armies many times..
 
Between 651-751 Turks had some problems but they had rich countries this is why they attacked to our cities..
 
We helped them at 751 ''Talas War''
 
Hz Muhammed (SAV) have so many hadith about Turks too ..
 
They need to send medicine and food to Palastine before swearin Mustafa Kemal ATATURK..
 
Ppl waitin help from us not from their rich brothers.
 
i'm %100 sure writer of this site not muslim he is an agent ^^

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  Quote malizai_ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jun-2006 at 18:00
Originally posted by Mortaza

well wrong infact it is, dont pay and fight for state,  or pay and dont  fight.
 
not one of best carrot I saw.
 
I cannot relate to the usefulness of the carrot, as for jizya a similar obligatory tax was on Muslims namely 'the zakat'. It was thought more honourable to pay zakat than jizhya, hence the incentive for converting to Islam. BTW this does not relate to the turks, who were dominant when they became muslims and continued with collecting zakat and jizya. The practise was briefly corrupted by the Ummayads at some point and it led to their downfall. Similarly, I had heard from an afghan of an oral tradition that their forefathers refused to pay zakat to some new collectors of it(sorry, no hsitorical knowledge of who the collectors were), when they saw the oppulence of the attire of the new from the modesty of the old.
 
 
As for the imposition of the jizya and zaka and the tithes-->
 
So, it goes like this-->
Call upon them to convert to Islam. If convert no fighting, pay zakat.
if they do not convert, must  pay the jizya[poll tax].
If they refuse to pay the jizya, fight them.
 
Maybe someone with abetter understanding of the issue can throw some light on it.
 
i.e, The fighting is if they dont pay jizya, not if they dont convert.
 


Edited by malizai_ - 23-Jun-2006 at 06:09
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jun-2006 at 02:18
inshallah, very good article, provides a lot of important historical information.
 
 
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