Atheists/Agnostics/Pagans/Kaffirs are better human beings

Originally posted by Gargoyle Why don't you people realize that there are only Two Truths. 1. We don't know. 2. The Sun. Anything else is just the Creation of the Human Mind.

the creation? Something i can't understand is, why a reasoner person today should believe the world is created befor 6000 years and in only 6 days? and why should this person believe the earth is like a rotating mark?

Edited by Maziar - 07-Jun-2006 at 15:15

Its seems they knew man came fom the dust and that two cells devided to make the sexs, Adam and Eve. Jesus came along and said we are all one.

 -Wow..... They actually understood that it takes a man and a woman to make a baby in the old days? They didn't think the stork dropped it on their doorstep? Yes, this is sarcasm. Due to the stupidity of the statement quoted I feel that it is only fair.

 -The Bible is as ambiguous as the prophecies of Nostradamus, It's contents can be interpreted in so many ways.

Road kill, to rephase that, one cell divided into to two  cells,the sexs, Eve from Adam`s rib. 

Originally posted by docyabut Unless your claiming that the bible was written by men and it happens to be more accurate than modern science you should probably rethink that.   Its seems they knew man came fom the dust and that two cells devided to make the sexs, Adam and Eve. Jesus came along and said we are all one.    I mean how long did man really think we just appeared out of no where  and until  DNA  proved we are all of one specie man  once thought we were all of different races.The ancients knew it all along.

The Bible is not more accurate than modern science. First of all, the whole thing about Jesus being born from a virgin is the most scientifically innaccurate thing that I have ever heard. However, that was stolen from the story of Mithras, as with many other things about Jesus. The ancients did not know anything. Are you telling me that they thought we were all of the same species. It is not like many wars were fought over things like race, or ethnicity. The ancients had no clue about Adam and Eve. It is just a myth created and probably stolen from another religion.

Originally posted by Barbarossa First of all, the whole thing about Jesus being born from a virgin is the most scientifically innaccurate thing that I have ever heard

Actually its not surprisingly:

The phenomenon of the birth of a normal individular without the fertilizingaction of the male is called 'parthenogenesis'. In the animal kingdom, parthenogenesis can be observed under certain conditions. This is true for various insects, certain invertebrates and, very occasionally, a select breed of bird. By way of experiment, it has been possible, for example, in certain mammals (female rabbits), to obtain the beginnings of a development of the ovule into an embryo at an extremely rudimentary stage without any invention of spermatozoon.

So scientifically, a vigin birth is concevably possible.

Originally posted by Ako "A day for God is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day."

Like this Ako?
Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.[22:47]
He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning. [32:5]
The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: [70:4]

Virgin birth ?  I agree with omar ,there are cases where the human body is of both sexs. Very rare,  however pregnancy can occur.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Originally posted by Barbarossa First of all, the whole thing about Jesus being born from a virgin is the most scientifically innaccurate thing that I have ever heard Actually its not surprisingly: The phenomenon of the birth of a normal individular without the fertilizingaction of the male is called 'parthenogenesis'. In the animal kingdom, parthenogenesis can be observed under certain conditions. This is true for various insects, certain invertebrates and, very occasionally, a select breed of bird. By way of experiment, it has been possible, for example, in certain mammals (female rabbits), to obtain the beginnings of a development of the ovule into an embryo at an extremely rudimentary stage without any invention of spermatozoon. So scientifically, a vigin birth is concevably possible.

Incorrect. It is concievable for animals to have virgin births, but there has been no recorded virgin birth for human beings.

Originally posted by Omar Al Hashim Actually its not surprisingly: The phenomenon of the birth of a normal individular without the fertilizingaction of the male is called 'parthenogenesis'. In the animal kingdom, parthenogenesis can be observed under certain conditions. This is true for various insects, certain invertebrates and, very occasionally, a select breed of bird. By way of experiment, it has been possible, for example, in certain mammals (female rabbits), to obtain the beginnings of a development of the ovule into an embryo at an extremely rudimentary stage without any invention of spermatozoon. So scientifically, a vigin birth is concevably possible.

A virgin birth is only possible among parthenogenetic animals.  Parthenogenetic populations are typically all-female, which is not to compare with human kind. Parthenogenetic life forms have the special organs to reproduce their kind asexually. Human females haven't these organs, becouse the nature of human being is heterogamy.

Like rabbits? Surely no mammal can be described 'typically all-female'

Omar you may say God is allmighty and can let a virgin girl birth a child. But what is this for a God, who breaks his own rule?

What do you mean? Which rule? And why can't God break it if he wishes?

And about cloning, you maybe need no father, but for sure you need sperm to produce a human kind.

I'm sure your aware that cloning humans is a hotly debated topic that is theoretically possible, with several people claiming rightly or wrongly that they have done it.


Edited by Omar al Hashim - 10-Jun-2006 at 00:14