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Topic: Who are the Romans today? Posted: 12-Jun-2019 at 01:31 |
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Posted: 15-Feb-2018 at 12:11 |
Originally posted by Arthur-Robin
Its not just loan words picked polly. There are just far too many incidences. And its proper names not just words.
Kepha (= Cephas/Peter). Ceres Organics. Fonterra (milk). Mercury Energy. Jerome (egcc). Clementine 2. Trump retracted his criticism of the pope. Bible says "Babylon" (Rome) oversees world free trade. Francis(cosan) called himself pythagoras "overseer of the market place (agora)".
Lemme have clean water every meal and i'll stop fighting back.
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Babylon was a completely different people. They are not Romans lol.
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Latinos? Really? No. They are just called that from the language group. I think there are very few people of pure Roman descent. Many Italians will be part Latin(the tribe) but they will also have a lot of other genetic background, probably Germanic, from the invasion of the Goths( Ostrogoths and all them).
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Its not just loan words picked polly. There are just far too many incidences. And its proper names not just words.
Kepha (= Cephas/Peter). Ceres Organics. Fonterra (milk). Mercury Energy. Jerome (egcc). Clementine 2. Trump retracted his criticism of the pope. Bible says "Babylon" (Rome) oversees world free trade. Francis(cosan) called himself pythagoras "overseer of the market place (agora)".
Lemme have clean water every meal and i'll stop fighting back.
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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.
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7 from 10 patients in State mental hospital are Romans,1 Caesar,1 Napoleon and 1 God.Did not mention here that they all communicate with Aliens either are with Alien heritage. I am I magnet for them as it looks or we are living in their world. 
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Posted: 15-Jul-2017 at 07:20 |
In Turkish Perspecive,
*In Turkish, Roman means Gypsy
*Seljuk Turks used name "RUM" also.
*Now Rum means Greek.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2017 at 04:28 |
But if we had thought human we could have found that all out languages have same ancestry: Demoticos or now known as Ancient Egyptian.
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If we were to seach through most European language families, we would find "loan words' which have been "borrowed" from other langauges.
Originally, I would think that the most proliferate would probably have been Latin and Greek. In Europe, those langauges would also have originated from the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, the Norsemen.
In more recent years, asian loan words have been increasingly adopted.
So, to say that particula people or groups of people are/are not Roman is an oversimplification of the situation. No doubt there are people throughout Europe and North African whose DNA can be traced back to a Roman intervention. But, I submit, they are not Roman.
The Romans are not even resident throughout modern Italy, IMHO, they are the people who live in the city of Roman.
Would an English migrant to the USA still be regarded as being English? Unfortunately, probably, but that's due to bias against the English, based on centuries old conflicts.
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Posted: 01-Mar-2017 at 10:36 |
"Who are the Romans today?"
It depends on what you mean by "Romans".
All Italy and the provinces of the Roman empire will have at least some Roman blood in the population esp Romance (Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Normans, Arthurian, Romanitas, Romanians, Latin Americans, etc). Lugdunum has been called little Rome. There is "Roman nose".
The ancient Romans are supposed to have been Aryans/Indo-Europeans (like Greeks, Germans/Teutons/Norse, etc). But as the kingdom and republic and empire went on more and more alien elements were introduced (see timeline here http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36908 ). Romans/IEs are supposedly superior yet even at its very beginning Rome offered itself as a refuge to bad criminals as well as good great. Today the secret Romans seeming still have a secret "Peter"/patricians and "Paul"/plebians discrimination (perhaps this is picture an example http://www.freewebs.com/lifetradition/arthur%20robin.jpg ), several sci-fi books with Latinisms in them mention blond/red hair etc. "This is Aryan ["Arjen"] calling from Pulse energy" - feb 2016. Flavian "yellow haired" = Linus "flax colour hair". http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/italian-genealogy/ . Possibly the Romans and IEs are connected with Atlantis (Tiahuanaco).
One world-wide semi-secret group of modern present day Romans/"Romans" is centred around the "Pope" and Vatican/Rome (and "revived Roman Empire", and Catholic church). (Switzerland seems maybe a centre too?) The first 40 popes really match the Roman Emperors list (eg Pope Alexander = Trajan who was thinking aloud of Alexander the Great at Charax, Pope Pius = Emp Antoninus Pius), and the Pope/Papacy is really secret Emperor/Empire since maybe time of Gregory the Great or Whitby to today (EU, empires, World). These people seemingly semi-secretly rule the world. Witness "Pope Francis gave Q Elizabeth sphere with cross on top" which BBC said symbolises "christian" royal dominion over whole world. Catholic Schools. Ceres Organics. "nephilim versus followers of Jesus" http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?4,1087088 . Kepha[s] said Vatican sent many Jesuits as fake church pastors. "Papa Smurf" & the smurfs. Bible says the harlot Babalon [Rome] riding the beast [EU &/or US &/or UNO/World]. (Bible says Satan's throne is in "Pergamos" "Tower" which 4th church age seems to match Rome?) (The beast has 3 or 4 component parts: lion, bear, leopard (and dragon).) Publius Enigma? "Cosmopolis". There is even a picture of [San Martin?] that looks very similar to picture of Julius Casear? See thread http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37115 and ebook http://www.allempires.com/forum/ebook_view.asp?BookID=104 . They claim this is a "delusion" eg http://faithandheritage.com/2017/01/jack-chick-in-memoriam/ & http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?4,1087088 but often those that claim/accuse "delusion" are really the ones pushing delusion themselves. There are too many Roman names/words/numerals everywhere in modern world life & global elite (eg Peter, Publius, Ceres, Legacy Metering, Nova Energy, Markus, etc). Fluoride is a modern latin word.
(Sorry Franz but you wouldn't let me have clean water, and wouldn't let me do my peper studies, etc, so can't blame me for fighting back.)
-------- "There are 2 types of people: those that do the work and those that take the credit." It is a great evil that some people are denied credit for their hard work etc.
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OK, on being careful copy pasting. Thank you for welcoming me.
________________________________________________________________________________ Ronald Reagan — 'There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit.'
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Welcome to the forum. Just be careful with "copy paste".
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I am from Laeti or Foederati married into the lines of Vispania Agrippa, King Gaius Julius Alexander, and Marcus Antonius. I live in the U.S. I have ancestors who married an Italian Princess when they were Kings of Toxandrie (belgium and Luxembourg). The following is what I found from wikipedia after tracing my ancestors:
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franks were called gauls which developed out of celtic culture. They
controlled river trade routes and divided into three tribes Trocmi, Tolistobogii and Tectosages in 278bc to help Nicomedes I of Bithynia in a dynastic struggle against his brother. They were eventually defeated by the Seleucid king Antiochus I
(275 BC), in a battle where the Seleucid war elephants shocked them.
In the settlement of 64 BC, Galatia became a client-state of the Roman
empire, the old constitution disappeared, and three chiefs (wrongly
styled "tetrarchs") were appointed, one for each tribe. But this
arrangement soon gave way before the ambition of one of these tetrarchs,
Deiotarus, who made himself master of the other two tetrarchies and was finally recognized by the Romans as 'king' of Galatia. The Galatian language continued to be spoken in central Anatolia until the 6th century. Deiotarus sided with the others against caesar and after Caesar's death, Mark Antony,
for a large monetary consideration, publicly announced that, in
accordance with instructions left by Caesar, Deiotarus was to resume
possession of all the territory of which he had been deprived.
The Roman Empire split into a Gallic Empire
in the West (260–274) (when france, belgium and luxembourg separated
into gallic from roman empire) with constantius as caesar. Constantine
settled Franks on the lower left bank of the Rhine;
their settlements required a line of fortifications to keep them in
check, indicating that Rome had lost almost all local control. In Gaul
(france, luxembourgh, belgium),
which did not really recover from the invasions of the third century,
there was widespread insecurity and economic decline in the 300s. In
306 ragaise king of toxandrie and Ascaric led a Frankish raid across
the Rhine into southern Gaul while Constantine the Great was campaigning against the Picts in Britannia.
Apparently the two had made a previous agreement with Rome not to cross
the border, since Constantine sought to punish them as traitors upon
his return. The execution took place in one of the chief cities of Gaul, probably Trier, and the two Franks and their followers were torn apart by animals in the amphitheatre
before a large crowd. Royaume europe lists Ragaise as german. Ragaise
ancestors remained King of Toxandrie until the 400's Until Theodemir de
toxandrie's son Chlodion le Chevelu de Francie, chef des Francs
(vers 392 - 448) became the last.
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by that do you identify the historically traditional tribes of the south or do you include the celts-Welsh-Scots in the west-north?
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From approx 43 AD - 47 AD is when the Roman conquest of southern Britain occurred and then became part of the roman empire in which many Romans settled in Southern Britain and or where stationed there, eventually they Occupied the whole of Britain and built a wall between England and Scotland to Try prevent Scottish Tribes from attaching. The Romans occupied Britain Until 410 AD in which time they Retreated and left the Remaining Britain's and Romans who chose to stay to defend themselves.now considering the long duration The Romans where in Britain i would defiantly say that there is mix between to twos Genetics
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This kind of a debate never gets anywhere. Its the same kind of debating that goes on with the Greeks are they the same people. Some will say yes some will say no the same will be said about the Romans.
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No you would not have to be very very very lucky. By the fact that there are 700 million people in Europe today, and there were about 30 then that amounts to a lot of deascendants. genghis Khan has millions. etc..A first generation can have 4 children as an exampleIf four of those have children you get between 4 and up to 16that generation can double to quadruple its next generationlittle by little you end up with thousands of people descending from generation 0
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Assuming you're not worried by incest.
Actually I suspect the broadest spreading of Roman genes came from brothels, prostitution and slavery. In the colonies I would expect lots more Y-chromosomes from Rome than mitochondrial ones.
"One man in his time plays many parts...."
Of course, not all Roman soldiers were Romans or Italians. Former Roman colonies in general therefore almost certainly have liberal sprinklings of genes from all the other colonies as well as Italy.
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Most certainly I agree with you on that point. Racial or ethnic purity as we have seen it develop over the last two centuries did not bother Romans. For Justinian or Emperors both before and after him saw themselves as Romans and many had provincial peasant backgrounds. A lot of mixing of different peoples occured. It is highy possible due to that that the Roman Romans who were in the service and colonials spread Roman genetics alongside many others all around the Roman world.
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Posted: 06-Jun-2008 at 20:34 |
Originally posted by es_bih
No you would not have to be very very very lucky. By the fact that there are 700 million people in Europe today, and there were about 30 then that amounts to a lot of deascendants. genghis Khan has millions. etc..
A first generation can have 4 children as an example
If four of those have children you get between 4 and up to 16
that generation can double to quadruple its next generation
little by little you end up with thousands of people descending from generation 0
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Assuming you're not worried by incest.
Actually I suspect the broadest spreading of Roman genes came from brothels, prostitution and slavery. In the colonies I would expect lots more Y-chromosomes from Rome than mitochondrial ones.
"One man in his time plays many parts...."
Of course, not all Roman soldiers were Romans or Italians. Former Roman colonies in general therefore almost certainly have liberal sprinklings of genes from all the other colonies as well as Italy.
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Don't the Greeks still use the name Roman sometimes for themselves? And what about the Romanians. They don't use the "nians" at the end. They simply say Roman.
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Well America and Rome are both very very different considering ones a modern invention and they span over a millenia in difference. Also are you sure that these people where not Romanized? We all know the power of culture. Lets not forget the plagues that hit Europe during the 'Middle Ages' and the various Barbaric German hoards that invaded and basically ended the 'Western Roman Empire'. I can see maybe the French and Spaniards having a bit of Roman Lineage but the British i sinserly doubt such a thing, after all the Celts above Hadrians Wall where basically running around free.
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- probably 100
million contemporary Americans descended from 5-8,000 Great Migration
immigrants of 1620-50. If you have 50 or more sets (husbands and wives)
of Great Migration immigrant forebears, you are probably related to
almost all of the 100 million, within the range of 8th-12th cousins.
The probability of kinship to notables is fully 100 percent, and the
number of such “household name” distant kin probably surpasses 500,
possibly 1000.
http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/services/articles_gbr34.asp
an example of New England descent patterns studied among numerous others can give you a hint here
By assuming that there would be almost none who would descend from them, then that would mean that there was a static population from antiquity to now, when that is obviously not the case. We have had a population explosion of up to close to 7 billion people from a worldwide of no more than three hundred million in antiquity
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