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4/24/06
Iran's Brain Drain: 200,000 graduates trying to go abroad
Mashhad, Razavi Khorasan Prov, April 23 -- Statistics indicate that 200,000 Iranian graduates try to leave the country annually, an official told IRNA. Alireza Haqiqi, official in charge of Iranian Expatriates Knowledge and Innovation Network, added some of the graduates choose other countries for their scientific activities.

Addressing a gathering of Iranian physicians residing in the United States, Haqiqi said nearly three million Iranians (five percent of population) are living abroad.

"An estimated 1.2 Iranian expatriates are now living in the US," he said, adding US-based Iranian expatriates have the highest income and rank second in terms of educational level among immigrants from other countries.

Haqiqi stated that nearly 30 percent of Iranian immigrants are presently working in managerial posts while 20 percent have technical jobs.

Referring to the World Bank classification of countries, he said Iran has been classified in the third group of states making use of the achievements of other countries.

"Countries that are pioneers in the field of technology and innovation fall in the first group while those enjoying potential for development are placed in the second group," he said.

He said educated people will not leave the country if provided with opportunities to offer their capabilities.
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No wonder, with 80% of the economy controled by the government, there is only 20% for them to play with.  Iran needs to free up its market by at least another 20-40%.
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This is typical of all developing countries.
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Originally posted by Zagros

No wonder, with 80% of the economy controled by the government, there is only 20% for them to play with.  Iran needs to free up its market by at least another 20-40%.

 

Oh, really?

that's much higher than China, is Iran a socialism country?



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Statistics indicate that 200,000 Iranian graduates try to leave the country annually


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Well,the same goes for Europe.Hundrends of European scientists go to USA every year.
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Originally posted by Qin Dynasty

Originally posted by Zagros

No wonder, with 80% of the economy controled by the government, there is only 20% for them to play with.  Iran needs to free up its market by at least another 20-40%.

 

Oh, really?

that's much higher than China, is Iran a socialism country?

another hypocrisy of the IRI. they are supposed to be against communism, yet irans economy can technically be classified as communist/socialist.

but anyway, its not 80% anymore, the government now controls like 40% i believe.
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A lot of them come to Canada now that US immigration rules are more selective and we're all the richer for it.  Nonetheless, every part of the world seems to have a brain drain to the US.  
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The consoling fact about braindrain is that it's not irreversible. Just a couple of years ago, everyone here in Canada was talking about how serious the braindrain situation was - a lot of well-trained professional people were attracted to the higher salary and lower tax in the United States. However, as the Canadian economy started to improve (the growth rate of the Canadian economy has been consistently the highest among the G8 nations for a few years), even though some people are still going down south to seek opportunities, it's definitely not "braindrain" but just part of the natural process of people moving across borders. Don't forget that some Americans, attracted to Canada's overall better quality of life (e.g. public health care, low crime rates, more hospitable political climate, etc.), have been coming to Canada to live and work all the time too. And of course there are also stories of Canadians returning home from the United States due to the more intangible "no place like home" factor.  

The reversibility of this "braindrain" phenomenon is not just confined to wealthier countries like Canada. As economic opportunities in countries like India and China continue to grow, many American-educated Indian and Chinese (many having Ph.D's and other professional degrees) are returning to their home countries where money may even be easier to make than in the United States. And of course back home, these people do not face issues such as discrimination or cultural/language barriers.  
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Originally posted by Iranian41ife

Originally posted by Qin Dynasty

Originally posted by Zagros

No wonder, with 80% of the economy controled by the government, there is only 20% for them to play with.  Iran needs to free up its market by at least another 20-40%.

 

Oh, really?

that's much higher than China, is Iran a socialism country?

another hypocrisy of the IRI. they are supposed to be against communism, yet irans economy can technically be classified as communist/socialist.

but anyway, its not 80% anymore, the government now controls like 40% i believe.

It is 80% command economy. UK is 40% and France is about 50%. Everything within the economy except small shops are at least 51% government owned.
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The consoling fact about braindrain is that it's not irreversible. Just a couple of years ago, everyone here in Canada was talking about how serious the braindrain situation was - a lot of well-trained professional people were attracted to the higher salary and lower tax in the United States. However, as the Canadian economy started to improve (the growth rate of the Canadian economy has been consistently the highest among the G8 nations for a few years), even though some people are still going down south to seek opportunities, it's definitely not "braindrain" but just part of the natural process of people moving across borders. Don't forget that some Americans, attracted to Canada's overall better quality of life (e.g. public health care, low crime rates, more hospitable political climate, etc.), have been coming to Canada to live and work all the time too. And of course there are also stories of Canadians returning home from the United States due to the more intangible "no place like home" factor.  

The reversibility of this "braindrain" phenomenon is not just confined to wealthier countries like Canada. As economic opportunities in countries like India and China continue to grow, many American-educated Indian and Chinese (many having Ph.D's and other professional degrees) are returning to their home countries where money may even be easier to make than in the United States. And of course back home, these people do not face issues such as discrimination or cultural/language barriers.  

Well it isn't much of an issue if the economy improves well within the work life of one generation, otherwise they are permanently lost along with their, normally, high achieving offspring.
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Originally posted by Zagros

Well it isn't much of an issue if the economy improves well within the work life of one generation, otherwise they are permanently lost along with their, normally, high achieving offspring.

I think that's exactly what's happening with the Indian and Chinese brains. Their domestic economies are improving so rapidly that many who initially planned to stay in the United States after they get their Ph.D.'s or whatnot change their mind because they actually see more economic opportunities back home. One can also look at it from another perspective - there are certainly some highly skilled individuals who initially planned to emigrate to the United States or other Western countries but subsequently change their mind as they see both the conditions and opportunities at home improving. Finally, there are some first or second or even third generation Indian or Chinese immigrants who may have settled in the United States but decide to return to their home country for the exact same reasons.



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The US, though, still has a vast pool to draw from.
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As pointed out, it is the same condition in all developing countries...National Geographic  wrote a story on Armenia about a year ago. Every College student interviewed in Yerevan, stated  that they are studying hard so they can go abroad...and Armenia ranks as a mostly free  economy...

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The last edition of National Geographic covered Iraqi Kurds, very interesting.



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No wonder, with 80% of the economy controled by the government, there is only 20% for them to play with.  Iran needs to free up its market by at least another 20-40%.

But Who does control 20%???
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20% is private enterprise. 80% is where the mullahs make their money 20% is for the 65 million other people.
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but those 20% are under their authority

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no, 20% are small businesses and other private traders. 
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Originally posted by Iranian41ife


but anyway, its not 80% anymore, the government now controls like 40% i believe.



Not according to this:

For one, he's stopped cold previous reforms to privatize Iran's economy. Tehran already runs roughly 80% of the economy, and Ahmadinejad has redirected investments to the public sector. His first budget, approved by the Iranian parliament last month, ramps up government spending by 25%.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20060404/bs_ibd_ibd/200644issues 01

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