Persian Hero, Unknown Martyr

The Baha'i faith is the last Religion allowed by Allah or God on this earth.  Although most Religious Islamic people think it is either not a true religion or a branch of Islam.  I disagree with both.

Greetings all, I'm familiar with Babek, but indirectly.

As a Byzantine specialist, I came across the Khurramites when after the death of Babek, a large number of them found refuge in Byzantine territory under Emperor Theophilus. The leader of these refugees, Nasir adopted the name of Theophobus and married a relative of the Emperor's. However, later he rebelled against the Emperor which was suppressed. The soldiers who took part in the rebellion were forgiven and agreed to be dispersed throughout the Empire. That means that a small proportion of Greece's population comes are Iranian!!

Was Babek anti-Islamic? Weren't the Khurramites, a heretical sect of Islam? Someone please shed more light on the Khurramites please.

babak was a great hero who fought against wild barbarian invaders. whatever he had done to those barbarians was nothing when they destroy a mighty and rich empire.

Alhamdulilah, I, as a person of Iranic origin, declare that I am firmly Muslim.  I disassociate myself from the Murtads and those Iranic individuals who bad mouth Islam.

With that said, I'd like to clear any doubt that in large portions of Iranian lands, Islam was welcomed. 

Those who precariously allege that Islaam was "forced" upon the Persian people should read and brush up on their history on how Islaam spread amongst the people who welcomed it.  Although, the ruling elite may have not whole-heardtedly converted, many Iranic people embraced Islam, as I will prove.

Firstly, let us examine Zoroastrianism during the advent of Islaam.  Admitingly, It should be noted that the religion was popular with the ruling elite.  In contrast, the working class along with the general population resented the enormous amount of influence the Zoroastrian priests wielded. 

Moreover, many adherents of other religoins, including Nestorianism, Judaism and Buddhists who utterly resented the Zoroastrian ruling elite given the unfair treatment they were receiving saw Islam as a new hope.  As Caetani in his book "Annali dell Islam" noted that the hatred against the ruling elite were so bitter that caused the Arab conquest to appear as a deliverance.  (ibid, pg. 910-11)

Furthermore,  during Khusrau II's reign the persecution of Christians living in Persian lands were enormously high given that he suffered a defeated under the Roman Emperor.  This led to more persecution, resulting in many of them happily welcoming the Muslim creed. 

More importantly, Islam spread because of the inabilities of the rigid Zoroastrian creed itself.   Many townsfolk especially the industrial class and the artists "whose occupations made them impure according to the Zoroastrian creed, because in the pursuance of their trade or occupations they defiled fire, earth, or water..." wholeheartedly accepted Islam without any compulsion or force.  (Spread of Islam, pg. 208)

In addition, Imam Husayn (radiallah ahnu - may Allah be pleased with him) - the grandson of the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (sall Allahu alay wa salam) married the last Sassanid emperor's daughter,  Shahbanu.  At that juncture, many Iranian peoples saw themselves feeling fairly patriotic, welcomed Islam, and many claim that this reason spurred some Persians to be devoted to Shi'ism. 

And although some will allege that many fire-temples were destroyed after the advent of Islam, I say, fire-temples were still found till the 10th century, 300 years after the coming of Islam in various parts of what is now known as Iraq, Iran and Azerbaijan.   In fact, al-Shahristani even mentions fire-temples in Baghdad itself during the 12 century! (Kitab al-milal wa'-nihal)

In light of these facts, it is silly to attribute that the Iranian peoles were violently converted.  Moreover, one of the greatest and noble Persian rulers in History, Saman Khuda, the true father of the Tajik nation, whom Tajikistan today, firmly respects (infact they even named their currency after him - Somoni, and have monuments of him across Dushanbe) converted to Islam without any force and led one of the most popular Persian-Muslim dynasties in History - the Samanid Empire to rule large portions of what is now known as Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan.

To think that Iranic peoples were forced to accept Islaam is not only fallacious it has no historical merit.  What's more is that I have yet to cover the other Iranian peoples like the Baluchis and Pashtuns who accepted Islaam similarly via missionary work as well.

It should be noted that my post a tip of the iceberg with this matter, and I will address and answer any further inquiries.  If one would like to contend with the facts of this post, please reply to each of the above points instead of concocting a fallacious argument like "oh you follow Islam because your parents do." 

Speaking of Iranic heroes, here is my list..

al-Bukhari
Abu Haneefah al-Koofi al-Kabuli
al-Tirmidhi
al-Haakim al-Nishapuri
Abu Dawud al-Sijistani
An-Nisai
Ishaq ibn Rahwaih
Imam al-Bayhaqi al-Nishapuri
ar-Razi
Ibn Khuzaima
adh-Dhuhli al-Khorasani
Imam at-Tabarani al-Isfahani

may Allah have mercy on all of them.






Edited by Ave1 - 22-Jul-2006 at 22:16

I think his point was that the above made great contributions to islamic studies, while being iranian.

Originally posted by Ave1 And although some will allege that many fire-temples were destroyed after the advent of Islam, I say, fire-temples were still found till the 10th century, 300 years after the coming of Islam in various parts of what is now known as Iraq, Iran and Azerbaijan.   In fact, al-Shahristani even mentions fire-temples in Baghdad itself during the 12 century! (Kitab al-milal wa'-nihal)

you can also convert back to zoroastrian religion :) 

Not long, about 100 years, until Timur did the same, also killing millions. Some parts of the coutnry never recovered such as Tus, but again after 100 years Iran was revived.

Originally posted by shayan you can also convert back to zoroastrian religion :)

Thanks but NO thanks. 

'preciate the offer, but you can certainly keep it.





I am pleased with Allah as my lord, Islam as my religion and Muhammad (sall Allahu alay wa salam) as my prophet.

Radheetu billaahi Rabban, wa bil-'Islaami deenan, wa bi-Muhammadin (sall Allahu alay wa salam) Nabiyyan


Edited by Ave1 - 06-Aug-2006 at 10:56