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    Posted: 04-May-2007 at 00:16
Tang held sway over Samarkand and Tashkent briefly after putting an end to both east and western gok-turk khagnates and put garrisons all the way to the border of persia to protect trade routes.
 
here is a short article on Tang dynasty and the silk road.
 
Another thing unique about Tang dynasty was its openness, there were many foriegn traders in china at the time and chinese back then liked and copied anything from persia or central asia. Very different from the later Song, Ming and Qing dynasties when chinese were more isolationist and nativists.
 
Another thing was Tang imperial family had no problems with mixing with others, the emperors had dancing girls from tashkent as wives as well as daughters of turk khans, Tang also married many of its princesses to turk khans and tibetan kings and as well as central asian rulers.
Completely different from later chinese dynasties when the emperor only married chinese and marrying princesses to other peoples were seen as a humiliation.


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  Quote Killabee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 03:44
Originally posted by sirius99

yes if i am not wrong it was in han dynasty that they reach to that area. I am sure thay were there in tang dynasty era.


The Tang China did reach Central Asia and set up Anxi Protectorate during its Prime time to govern the place.









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  Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 02:03
yes if i am not wrong it was in han dynasty that they reach to that area. I am sure thay were there in tang dynasty era.
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  Quote Top Gun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 13:07
did the chinese realy gett that far I never heard of a conquest of uzbekistan
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  Quote Xshayathiya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 12:13
Originally posted by kingofmazanderan

Azimuth i heard the story that Yazdgard III being killed by Persians was made up by the Arabs.  I think he was definetly beheaded by the Arabs not killed for being mistaken as a theif.

 
Every source I've ever read has said that Yazdegerd fled from city to city and was killed in Merv. Most sources agree that he was killed by someone who was trying to pick his pocket, not the other way around. Anyway, who can be sure?
 
Azimuth is right though, if arabs had killed him, they would have proudly proclaimed it.
 
Just slightly off topic, the story of Pirooz's sister and Ali is a nice one too, not sure if it's historically accurate.
 
Originally posted by Wikipedia

When returning to Madinah from their famous victorious battle against Persia, Omar's army brought with them many prisoners. Many of them were women. Among the prisoners captured at Ctesiphon were members of the Persian royal family, including the princess and her sister. People flocked in masses to see the captured daughter of the fallen mighty King of Persia.
Omar the caliph soon arrived and demanded the daughter of the King of Persia to be shown to him. The soldiers brought her to Omar. Omar then approached her and reached out to lift her veil to see the woman. The princess pulled herself back and cried out in Farsi: "The face of Hormoz darkens from indignity!" ("Vay! Rooye Hormoz siyaah shod!")
Omar, thinking that the princess had offended him, angrily shouted: "This woman insults me!" and pulled his sword out to behead her. Ali intervened and said: "You do not know her language. She called on her ancestor and did not insult you."
Omar then declared that he who paid the most will have her as a slave. But Ali again interrupted and said: "You do not have that right!" The crowd fell silent under Ali's aura. Ali then asked the princess: "Do you wish me to find you a husband?" The princess did not reply. Trying to prevent the auction from taking place, Ali said: "Her silence is a sign of approval." Facing Omar, Ali continued: "Why don't we let HER choose a person from amongst this crowd as a husband, and we will pay for her dowry from the public treasury?" Omar agreed.
Scanning through the crowd around her, the princess suddenly stopped and froze as her eyes fell on a man amongst the crowd. "I have seen this man in a dream before" she reportedly said. Tracing her look, the entire crowd turned around and looked at Hossein, son of Ali. Ali went up to Hossein and said: "Oh Hossein! From this girl, the most noble of humans shall be born."
Ali, then came up to the princess and asked: "What is your name?" The princess replied: "The daughter of Jahan-shah". Ali said: "and so Shahr-Banuyeh you will be called" ("the bride of the land").
To prevent the rest of the prisoners from being sold as slaves in the auction, Ali then declared: "These Iranians are respected and learned people... I, along with the Bani Hashem tribe have decided to set them free." Omar replied: "Ali today went forward and nullified my decision about the Iranians. So be it."

 

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  Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 21:53
great story, is there any more information about them exp Wiki article ?
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 02:09
why made up by Arabs? whats the point?
 
if Arabs are the ones who killed him they would've said so proudly,
 
also his killing story mentioned in many old historical books written by Arabs and the ones written by Persians.
 
i wonder whats the sources you have that makes you Definite?
 
 
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  Quote kingofmazanderan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2006 at 15:48

Azimuth i heard the story that Yazdgard III being killed by Persians was made up by the Arabs.  I think he was definetly beheaded by the Arabs not killed for being mistaken as a theif.

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-May-2006 at 04:57
what do you "could", he already tired to do so and Failed.
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  Quote vespasian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-May-2006 at 21:06
Ok, so if I may make an in-topic post...

This seems to be very interesting. Here's a question, though...could have Pirooz have retaken his empire? Even with Chinese help, it seemed like a up-hill battle.
    

Edited by vespasian - 26-May-2006 at 21:06
Is someone going to tell Triple H that someone beat him to the title "King of Kings"?
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  Quote Behi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-May-2006 at 13:50

 

I made it Clear enough for you, any off topic posts will be deleted from my last replay to you onward.

you dont want to use PM, its your choice, iam not intersted in discussing with you anything related to our forum clasifications in this thread.

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2006 at 05:01

i dont know what made you think i love iranian related topics, and dont know why you asking this question in this thread, i told you go to pms if you want to go off topic.

i will replay to this but anymore unrelated posts will be deleted.

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for your first question,

i do move any topic in any forum which i see un-related to the forum section its in,

i dont read all posts in all forums , there are forums i dont even visit alot and other moderators are checking that, the forums i visit more frequent are

General Hisory

Ancient mesopotamia..

Post classical middle east

AE tavern

Intellectual

International

and Amusment

so i go to other forums and move any topic that doesnt fit. you need to check  before you say such thing.

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second question

you are here long enough to know that forums are divided into georaphical locations AND TIME period.

this topic is about an event took place in years 660 AD which belongs to this forum.

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again that forum is not a forum for everything related to Iran past and present, its about that area from ancient times to 600 AD

this forum is for the same area from 600 AD to 1800 AD.

how hard is that?

 

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  Quote Behi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2006 at 14:15
Sorry, but I've to go off topic. I said somthing here & I've to answer here

1. you didn't answer me, why do you love only Iran related topic??
why don't you go to other forum & move unrelated topic??

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I. Sassanid is under Greater Iran.
II. if you mean Geographically still it's under Greater Iran.
III. by the same reason it would be in east Asia forum.
IV. by the time, There is Overlap among Classical & Greater Iran.

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Originally posted by Azimuth

moving alot of topic lately from ancient forums because it seems like people are confused with the naming

i hope they change the name as Zagros suggested to avoid member being confused where to post.

Interesting, last time Iranian History forum had this problem, Which has been Deleted.
Now the Greater Iran name is problem
next Iran's name in subtitle would be problem

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2006 at 10:33

 

i dont know what you talking about?

i do my job in all topics i visit, moving alot of topic lately from ancient forums because it seems like people are confused with the naming

i hope they change the name as Zagros suggested to avoid member being confused where to post.

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if you have any more off topic questions you can do that via PMs.

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  Quote Behi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2006 at 10:23
I wonder how active you are Azimuth.
especially on Iranian related topics.
If it's all mods task, why don't they perform it as you.
& if it's only you who stand for it, why don't you perform for other topics in other forums??stamble();
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2006 at 00:04

moved

 

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Anyway, as for your information Land of Aryan, "frank wong" is a cantonese, not from X'ian, as a glance at his name would have told you.

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-May-2006 at 09:04

i dont know whats "frank wong"s sources are but as far as i know Yazdegered III was not beheaded by Arabs, he was killed by a persian farmer who thought Yazdegerd was a theaf.

 

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  Quote Behi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-May-2006 at 08:25

Persians in China

This is a wonderful website. I enjoyed reading it. There is no mention of Persian Zoroastrian immigrants to China. I am Chinese from China. My family lives in Xuajiulan county, about 28 miles west of Xian (formerly Chang'an) city. Chang'an was the capital of many Chinese dynasties in the past. Many foreigners once lived there, especially from Iran. Some came as merchants, entertainers and religious missionaries.

In 651 A.D., King Yazdgerd III was captured by Muslim Arabs in today's Turkmenistan and beheaded. His son, Pirooz survived and fled east to China. He gathered and assembled other powerful Iranian clans: Garen, Suren, Spabad, Varazpor, etc.

They all passed through the snowy Pamir mountains in today's Tajikistan and made it into China to seek the emperor's help. The Chinese king had a wife who was the sister of Pirooz. So, the court of Pirooz was allowed to set up in exile in western China. Many villages today in northwestern China (Xinjiang, Gansu, Shaanxi, Shanxi, Henan provinces) bear marks of Persian ancestry or influence.

For example, in my village, they found a 9th century A.D. tombstone of the daughter of a Chinese general. She is a descendant of the noble Persian Garen family clan and her tombstone has bilingual inscriptions on it (presumably ancient Persian). The village next to ours is entitled "Xi Wang Chuan." This means "village of a western king." The villagers look Chinese, but many have pretty big noses. They are Buddhists and some are Christian. Their Buddhism is different from local tradition.

On Chinese Spring Festival, we normally burn incense and paper money. This village only lights on fire the rest of the evening, which is strange to our tradition. They also often do not get along with Chinese Muslims for whatever reason. I heard that they claim to have the burial site of Pirooz, the son of Yazdgerd.

Anyways, there is a lot of Pre-Islamic Persian heritage in every Chinese region and families. It is probably in all of us. But, they made a commitment to become Chinese and forget their painful memories after they left Iran from Arabic invasions.

My village and people would welcome any Iranian visitors. Perhaps, we can bridge back the lost connections. I have the story of Peroz's family biography and story. I am just beginning to read it. It's in ancient Chinese language and may take some time. When finished, I want to share it with the Iranian people. Let them know and understand Pirooz was a good man too.

A Chinese friend and brother,

Frank Wong

http://www.iranian.com/Letters/2000/August/chinese.html

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  Quote Behi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2006 at 08:04
this page speak about Zoroasterian in China
http://www.pku.edu.cn/academic/zggds/005/003/002.htm

& this one says:
the five-term to spend and Xishu for Southern Tang Sheng. Was able to spread so far, I think because of his great Persian origin. Tang dynasty - run things, and culture, and three individuals let me impressed, one from ancestors from western Persia Li acquired,
http://www.ezeem.com/forum/read.asp?id=1404&no=10331916
Who has persian orgin??
in fact I couldn't understand anything by Google translate, we need chinese here.
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