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Even More Atrocities

A trigger-happy U.S. army squad leader shot the foot off an unarmed Iraqi man and soldiers kicked a severed head around like a soccer ball, a U.S. war deserter told an Immigration and Refugee Board hearing Thursday."

Joshua Key, the first U.S. deserter with combat experience in Iraq to apply for refugee status in Canada, told the board he witnessed numerous atrocities committed by U.S. forces while serving eight months as a combat engineer.

Key, 27, said he was never trained on the Geneva Convention and was told in Iraq by superior officers that the international law guiding humanitarian standards was just a "guideline."

"It's shoot first, ask questions later," Key said of his squad's guiding principles. "Everything's justified."

Key is one of five members of the U.S. armed forces asking for asylum in Canada.

But the Oklahoma native is unique in that he is the only applicant that has combat experience in Iraq, said Key's lawyer, Jeffry House. The other are seeking asylum in Canada to avoid being sent there, he said.

"He has boots-on-the-ground experience about what the actual conduct of the war in Iraq is," House said outside the hearing.


With visible bags under his eyes, Key told the hearing he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and frequently has nightmares over what he witnessed in Iraq.

He recalled participating in almost nightly raids on homes of suspected insurgents in Ramadi and Fallujah as a member of the 43rd Combat Engineer Company.

He said that while the raids seldom turned up anything of interest, he often saw soldiers ransack the homes and steal jewelry or money, while superior officers looked the other way.

He also said several Iraqis were shot dead, and that they were cases of soldiers "shooting out of fear and inventing reasons afterward."

In Ramadi, Key said he saw the beheaded bodies of four Iraqis beside a shot-up truck and witnessed several members of the Florida National Guard kick a severed head "like a soccer ball."

Key also said he witnessed one of his "trigger happy" platoon's squad sergeants shoot part of an unarmed Iraqi man's foot off in Khaldia, a village between Fallujah and Ramadi. The man was sitting on a chair outside a store and had raised his foot as a sign of disrespect, he said.

Key added he was never questioned about the incident and was not aware of any charges being laid.

Keith Brennenstuhl, the IRB member overseeing the hearing, ruled at an earlier hearing that the board would not consider the legality of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Key also described seeing U.S. soldiers indiscriminately kick and scream at two hooded and naked detainees while escorting them to a grassy area to relieve themselves.

Brennenstuhl asked Key whether he received any interrogation training before dragging detainees out of their homes during raids.

"The only thing we were told was how to keep them quiet," Key said, explaining that soldiers cuffed prisoners' hands behind their backs and put hoods over their heads.

"Could they breathe?" Brennenstuhl asked.

"I guess it wasn't my concern," Key responded, adding that officers said the hoods were designed "to humiliate them."

Key, the father of four young children, told the hearing he joined the army for steady pay and medical coverage for his family. He said he initially went to Iraq as a willing participant because he believed U.S. intelligence claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

But Key became disillusioned with the war during his service and decided to abandon his contract with the army during a two-week leave from Iraq in November 2003.

He and his family lived on the run in Philadelphia before crossing the border at Niagara Falls, N.Y., on March 3, 2005.

Key now works as a welder in Fort St. John, B.C. He and his wife Brandi have four children between the ages of seven months and six years.

If returned to the United States, Key said he believed the army would "make an example" of him as a way to deter other possible deserters.

Lawyers from all parties will submit their written submissions in the coming weeks before the board rules on Key's application.

Source:  http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/03/30/1512671-cp.htm l



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  Quote ArmenianSurvival Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 17:43
Keith Brennenstuhl, the IRB member overseeing the hearing, ruled at an earlier hearing that the board would not consider the legality of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.


     Of course not. They know damn well its illegal, thats why.

He said he initially went to Iraq as a willing participant because he believed U.S. intelligence claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

But Key became disillusioned with the war during his service and decided to abandon his contract with the army during a two-week leave from Iraq in November 2003.


     Ah, soldiers believing in a cause, and then becoming severely dissolutioned during war. Sounds kind of like Vietnam. I wonder if they still take Opium and LSD like the Vietnam soldiers did, or if they use other substances.

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Key is one of five members of the U.S. armed forces asking for asylum in Canada.


Good luck with that ... our new Prime Minister can't bend over far enough for his idol, Bush.
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  Quote King Kang of Mu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 18:31

Canada: (looking down south)  Whatcha guys doin down there? Going to another war,ay? Can we come and watch? We got some syrup and bacon.....

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No words...

One just should expect this kind of stories happening (we know for Vietnam and so many other cases) but we are so easily brainwashed by the silence of mainstream media and our own uncoscious desire of "leave in peace" - even if it's just a fantasy.



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Oh joy, another desserter who decides to make up stories to support why he can't handle being there after he signed up for the army VOLUNTARILLY.  Of course the army would make an example of him if he came back, and rightly so.  Desserting is a crime, why shouldn't he be punished. 
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 20:50
I'm sure he'll be given back to us, given how Canada has a conservative government now, and how far the USA will probably be willing to go to get him back.
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  Quote King Kang of Mu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 21:01

Originally posted by Thegeneral

Oh joy, another desserter who decides to make up stories to support why he can't handle being there after he signed up for the army VOLUNTARILLY.  Of course the army would make an example of him if he came back, and rightly so.  Desserting is a crime, why shouldn't he be punished. 

Thegeneral, I'm assuming you are defending my freedom in Iraq right now?  Otherwise what the freak do you know about what our soldiers can or can't handle? 

That goes out for all the war supporters, why aren't you in Iraq right now?  Oh, you are on a vacation between campaigns? You don't need freaking vacation.  You are defending my freedom which obviously means more to you than your own life.  Shut up and get out there, ladies!



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     Ya I wouldn't count on his chances of escaping. Is Canada really gonna bust its balls for one guy?

     But technically, the U.S. didn't go into Iraq for the reasons they stated, so who are they to punish this guy for breaking his word? Its unfortunate we don't live in a fair world
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 21:25
Originally posted by King Kang of Mu

Originally posted by Thegeneral

Oh joy, another desserter who decides to make up stories to support why he can't handle being there after he signed up for the army VOLUNTARILLY.  Of course the army would make an example of him if he came back, and rightly so.  Desserting is a crime, why shouldn't he be punished. 

Thegeneral, I'm assuming you are defending my freedom in Iraq right now?  Otherwise what the freak do you know about what our soldiers can or can't handle? 

That goes out for all the war supporters, why aren't you in Iraq right now?  Oh, you are on a vacation between campaigns? You don't need freaking vacation.  You are defending my freedom which obviously means more to you than your own life.  Shut up and get out there, ladies!

That works both ways, why don't all the idealistic young people go and fight in Darfur or some other humanitarian disaster?

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Maybe because they don't believe fighting will solve any problem whether it is Iraq or Darfur. 

Come on, go out there and fight for me since I don't believe in fighting, I'll be grateful, I swear.  Not only that, the government will give your family $12,000 of my tax money, if you die there.  What a deal!  I hope you don't have any children.

No wonder more lower class Blacks and Hispanics die there than upper-middle class Whites.  I guess defending my freedom means more to them?

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Maybe because I'm 14......

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Well, I'll be expecting you in 4 years.
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Originally posted by King Kang of Mu

Maybe because they don't believe fighting will solve any problem whether it is Iraq or Darfur. 

Come on, go out there and fight for me since I don't believe in fighting, I'll be grateful, I swear.  Not only that, the government will give your family $12,000 of my tax money, if you die there.  What a deal!  I hope you don't have any children.

No wonder more lower class Blacks and Hispanics die there than upper-middle class Whites.  I guess defending my freedom means more to them?

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How can you logically be a pacifist?  How could we have stopped people like Hitler with anything but war?

And for your information, after I get my undergraduate degree I am going to join the military and hopefully do something with artillery.  Maybe I'll even go to Iran, who knows?

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Genghis, you are right I am not a pacifists, I was just pretending for the argument sake, thanks for pointing out the obvious.  Oh, things that I want to do to war supporters...  I'll beat them with tofu sticks.

Maybe U.S. and England shouldn't have funded Hitler in first place, like Saddam.

What is an undergrad degree when my freedom  is being threatened right this moment.  Uncle Sam needs you right now, brother.

P.S. I hope somebody's laughing as much as I am right now.  I should go get a six pack.



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Originally posted by Genghis

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Maybe because they don't believe fighting will solve any problem whether it is Iraq or Darfur. 

Come on, go out there and fight for me since I don't believe in fighting, I'll be grateful, I swear.  Not only that, the government will give your family $12,000 of my tax money, if you die there.  What a deal!  I hope you don't have any children.

No wonder more lower class Blacks and Hispanics die there than upper-middle class Whites.  I guess defending my freedom means more to them?

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How can you logically be a pacifist?  How could we have stopped people like Hitler with anything but war?

And for your information, after I get my undergraduate degree I am going to join the military and hopefully do something with artillery.  Maybe I'll even go to Iran, who knows?

It was people who weren't pacifists who fought alongside hitler and allowed him to do what he did.  Violence perpetuates itself.

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You all are so full of hope for humanity it makes me sick.
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 22:29

Originally posted by King Kang of Mu

What is an undergrad degree when my freedom  is being threatened right this moment.

I'm going to get an engineering degree, anything technical is useful for the military.  I'm just postponing present bloodshed for increased future bloodshed.

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  Quote lennel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2006 at 22:33

Originally posted by Genghis

You all are so full of hope for humanity it makes me sick.
 

Isn't that the new reason to be in Iraq?

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You all are so full of hope for humanity it makes me sick.
 

Isn't that the new reason to be in Iraq?

I don't see the connection between cynicism and army enlistment.

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