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Poll Question: Who is the hardest enemy steppe tribes fought before 18th century?
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    Posted: 01-Apr-2006 at 14:47

Originally posted by RomiosArktos

I have never heard before of Mamelukes in India.There were however Mongols in India that established the Munghal dynasty or something like that.Were there also Mamelukes in India?

The Mamelukes themselves were mostly of turcic origin,is that true?

Mamlukes of india, they founded Delhi Sultanete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi_Sultanate

Mamlukes of Egypt, they were  turkic and cirassian in origin.

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Originally posted by Seljuk

Originally posted by RomiosArktos

I have never heard before of Mamelukes in India.There were however Mongols in India that established the Munghal dynasty or something like that.Were there also Mamelukes in India?

The Mamelukes themselves were mostly of turcic origin,is that true?

Mamlukes of india, they founded Delhi Sultanete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi_Sultanate

Mamlukes of Egypt, they were  turkic and cirassian in origin.



The mamlukes in Egypt were not associated with those in India.  The word just means slave.
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but mamelukes of india were turks?
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Originally posted by BigL

but mamelukes of india were turks?
Yes

 
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lets talk about the russian relationship with steppe peoples ,they expanded agriculture into the steppe and built trading cities,thus they were raided by various steppe peoples .How succesful was russia in defending or nuetralisinhg this threat.
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Arabs, weren't they the ones who kicked the Mongols out of Egypt?
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No mamelukes were Slave warriors imported from the Golden horde mongol dynasty,and other steppe peoples.

Arab wars with Turko-Mongols are the Arabs invasion of Transoxiania fighting the Turgish.Arab invasion of Khazars in caucasia. 
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Iran-Persian for their culture and similarness to Turkic people by the means of valiantness and war.
China for their sheer size and excellent knowledge of surviving a country over centuries and milleniums.
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Originally posted by BigL

The Turks themselves are their greatest enemies

true. under ghengis khan most of the worlds turks united. what resulted was history's second largest empire. the only thing that stopped them were the mamelukes, who were also turks, and civil war. with the known world almost entire conquered the only enemies worthy of themselves WERE themselves. although it should be mentioned that they failed to take japan twice.
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the thing about this poll is that all of the candidates were conquered and ruled by turks at some point.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2007 at 22:02
Originally posted by BigL

The Turks themselves are their greatest enemies

LOL LOL LOL
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"the thing about this poll is that all of the candidates were conquered and ruled by turks at some point. " - kurt
 
 
 
 
 
If you define Mongol = Turk then yes, otherwise, no
 
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lets see, the Gokturks(the weaker western portion only I might add) were beaten by the Sassanians in one battle, but it defeated the Sassanians in two. Persians are hardly their greatest enemies.
The Tang dynasty destroyed both portions of the Gokturk empire. I don't think its a hard question to conclude which sedentary empire is the Gokturk's greatest enemy.
 
The Mongols were defeated by the Mameluckes in one battle, yet their capital Karakorum was sacked by the Ming army and over 90 percent of them were eventually conquered by the Qing. Even today there is more ethnic mongols in China than in any other country, including Mongolia.
 
 
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