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Can the US become a superpower like the EU?

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    Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 18:49

Originally posted by hugoestr


This is the Domino Theory, once again showing its ugly, and bloody, head. In the past it embodied the fear that if one country fell to Communism, then everyone would follow. This optimistic version says that if one country becomes democractic, then the others will follow.


Democracy is not a virus that can be spread with contact. Look at Mexico: 200 years as neighbor if th U.S., and only five years ago they began to have a democracy.

This is wishful thinking. Irresponsible wishful thinking.

Yes, but would the dominoes have fallen if the US hadn't been there as a bulwark trying to stop them? It is a long-shot, I admit that. It's also worth a try, because I am not willing to give up yet on the hope of a democratic Middle East.

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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Feb-2005 at 21:49
I actually typed this before the board got sick due to over-eating

If the Domino Theory were true, then the whole region should have become communist as soon as the Americans pulled out. Instead, South-East Asia embraced Capitalism as a 16-year-old girl embraces her boyfriend.

Even though it would nice if the Middle East becomes democratic, it won't happen now, it won't happen in ten years, it may not happen in twenty. The region does not have a democratic tradition. Normal democratic practices produce weak leaders in the eyes of people who has lived in a dictatorship.

P.S. I never thought that I was going to see the day that a cynical liberal shatered the dreams of of idealistic conservative--or a moderate Republic in this case

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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Apr-2005 at 12:45

Hi everyone,

Have too much work to participate as much as I did.

This forum grew incredibly in size since I posted a couple of articles. I would like to point out that this is an intellectual forum. Calling leaders idiots doesn't fit here. There are a lot of posts about economy. I promised I will write more about weaknesses of US. We should understand that each system has its own contradictions build in. Each system reaches a point where it has to renew itself or will decline. US power resides in its economy. If economy declines, everything else will.

These are few minuses I see.

-         No country can continue with external trade deficits forever. Even economy of this size will be brought down at some time. Even conservative think tanks are giving 10-20 years until major problems.

-         Addiction to cheap energy.

-         Money injected into political system corrupts it. Billion dollar presidential election campaigns are worrisome sight.

-         Decline in the basic values: hard work, fair play, ethics. This is being replaced by deranged religious zealotry and political expediency, depending on the particular state (red or blue).

-         One party system. De facto a single party system in most states.

Blind patriotism is a dead end alley. What US need is a political and industrial renaissance. Instead declaring that we are a postindustrial state, we need to manufacture things that people may want to buy. Political system need to be fixed. Present one is prone to too much manipulation. There were good posts pointing to the fact that our exports consist mostly of raw materials and their profile resembles more a third world country than advanced one. US can produce best military jets, but plays the second fiddle in the commercial aviation field.

I recognize that there are many countries wishing they had problems US is facing. But this is not the answer. I think both strong Europe and strong US can have a very stabilizing influence on the rest of the world. US is still strong, but it is squandering momentum acquired after the WWII.

 



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  Quote Quetzalcoatl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Apr-2005 at 01:52

A Corsican who barely spoke French, is France's greatest political and military leader of all times. A Greek is Albanias greatest leader and hero of all times. A French is England's greatest hero and two French are considered two of the greatest leaders they had. A French is Sweden's second greatest military leader and founder of a royal dynasty. A German is the founder of the Royal dynasty in England, an Austrian in Spain, a Dansk the genitor of the (late) royal house of Greece. Peru had a Japanese prime minister and India () an Italian.

Infact Napoleon was born after Corsica became french, that would make him actually french from the department of corsica.

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  Quote Herodotus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Apr-2005 at 20:30

USA? Are you kidding? They are a nation in constant infancy and I can't see them coming out of it anytime soon (say... the next 5 centuries). Pray we won't follow their "example" as most of the lessaiz faire morons in Bruxelles wish... the Yanks are in a path of no return, they have failed to modernize their society and economical system for so many decades, what makes you think they'll change them in the future? And I fear they'll take down the world with them.

Perhaps you would like to explain how U.S economy is in need of modernization, and how socialism is better than capitalism, dont make wild accusations.

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  Quote Herodotus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Apr-2005 at 20:48

Pardon the double post, but I had to reply to the second post first, and then I lost my orginal train of thought on the first. Here it is.

Can the US abandon the colonial phase similar to European countries a century ago it's currently going through? Abandon it's desires to dominate and conquer smaller countries and demonise peaceful regimes with different value systems? Cut it's military spending by 400%?

Granted some of the U.S policy decisions, like Iraq, were poor choices. But the general policy of imperialism had worked admirably for the U.S. I dont feel as though a major policy shift is needed. I do agree that the U.S military is too expensive. The solution to cut spending however is not found there but in the social programs and other socialist aspects of domestic policy.

Overthrow it's aristocracy of super rich family dynasties that living lifestyles akin to 18th century French aristocrats who are the only people in the country allowed to hold high office and become a democracy where anyone may become leader of their country based on ability not accident of birth?

There is no law that prohibits anyone, other than minors, from occupying political office. Realistically most elected officials are members of the upper or middle class. But that is a natural result of democracy. Even though some people are poor by no fault of their own, many are simply unable to make a living or balance their budget. Either way the perception is that poor people are unfit. People want the most competant, successful individuals leading them, and thus few of the poor are ever elected. (Though there are certainly notable acceptions, Lincoln for instance).

Decentralise as a nation, returned all the power erroded away from once independant states giving local people real power over their lives again?

With this I would agree. The U.S Federal government has to much power and is quickly becoming a totalitarian state, though not nearly so much as most of the nations of Europe.

Improve working conditions increasing low wages, reducing working hours, tripling holiday allowances and creating genuine workers rights legislation? Radically overhaul the tertiary social security system providing free medical treatment of equal quality for all, not just politicians? Create a court of human rights, abolish torture and state sanctioned murder?

That is socialism and internationalism, both of which are, in my opinion, very very poor policy. If you intend the U.S to go in that direction, perhaps you should give some reason..

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