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Topic: Milosevic dead Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:44 |
Mila,
I just keep thinking what all my Serbian Dijaspora friends will think... They will probably just blame it on the Muslims! I know infront of them I will be happy, and rejoise, but inside I will be sad.. the irony of Serbia's history!
R-AK47,
The war was not that black and white. Infact I think your view is the same as the medias, except in reverse! You seem to be blaming everything on Muslims! It is not that at all. For people who want to know anything about the Balkan wars, you should know the war was not between Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks! It was between Nationalists, and good people from all ethnicities! Please read Svetlana Broz's Book Good people in an evil time! ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:47 |
You know I will never forget picking up a book "The Balkan wars for Dummies" (LOL), and one of the first things stated in the book was: "Serbs are the bad guys"..
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:48 |
Originally posted by mamikon
Originally posted by Mila
Hehehe, cywr.
I can't wait until Montenegro declares independence - a part of me
hopes Serbia will attempt to keep military control in the republic and
generate a guerilla war - they intercepted another arms shipment in
Bioce (near Podgorica) just this week, the Montenegrins are preparing.
Two Orthodox Christian peoples fighting each other would be interesting in terms of the genocide deniers... all the people
with such a simplistic views of the conflict, as R-AK47, won't know what
to do with themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if their heads exploded.
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its quite sad that you want a guerrila war to start where many innocent
people undoubtedly will die just to see the faces of the genocide
deniers...i doubt you would feel the same way if you were one of those
people stuck on the Serbia and Montenegro border...
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Oh give it up. It's not as though I spelled out the desired
consequences. I didn't sit and draw up a tally of how many I wanted to
die.
It was just an example, at face value - without a shot fired it still stands.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:49 |
Jay,
Yes, I know! I have read a few of the stories online, but I can't find the Book anywhere in bookstores! ![](smileys/smiley6.gif)
Mila,
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Have you learned nothing from SSC?
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:50 |
And Dutch subtitles.
I should get into using google video more, they seem to have a much broader selection of stuff thati initialy thought.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:51 |
Originally posted by YuGo
Jay,
Yes, I know! I have read a few of the stories online, but I can't find the Book anywhere in bookstores! ![](smileys/smiley6.gif)
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Yeah, same here! I can only find it in online bookstores, like amazon.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:55 |
Originally posted by Mila
Originally posted by mamikon
Originally posted by Mila
Hehehe, cywr.
I can't wait until Montenegro declares independence - a part of me
hopes Serbia will attempt to keep military control in the republic and
generate a guerilla war - they intercepted another arms shipment in
Bioce (near Podgorica) just this week, the Montenegrins are preparing.
Two Orthodox Christian peoples fighting each other would be interesting in terms of the genocide deniers... all the people
with such a simplistic views of the conflict, as R-AK47, won't know what
to do with themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if their heads exploded.
![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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its quite sad that you want a guerrila war to start where many innocent
people undoubtedly will die just to see the faces of the genocide
deniers...i doubt you would feel the same way if you were one of those
people stuck on the Serbia and Montenegro border...
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Oh give it up. It's not as though I spelled out the desired
consequences. I didn't sit and draw up a tally of how many I wanted to
die.
It was just an example, at face value - without a shot fired it still stands.
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even if one person dies, thats too much...what is there to spell out, people die in wars, doesnt matter how many...they die
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 23:57 |
I agree.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:06 |
A story told by Hamid Dedovic
Ilidza, October 1998
I stayed in Ilidza when it became Serbian territory, because I didnt
think that what happened could happen. Many Muslims were badly treated
and some even killed. My neighbors, the Serbs, or better to say
the Bosnian Serbs, saved me. It was the Serbs who came from Serbia
who did the evil.
Six bearded men, Chetniks with the badges of the White Eagles, came
into my house. As soon as they came through the door they started
beating my wife, our two daughters, and me. Soon a neighbor, a Serbian
woman, ran into the flat, too.
She said, Dont touch that man. Hes good!
They attacked her and started to beat her.
I was taken to the gate where they were collecting the Muslims who
were being sent to Kula and Pale. There many of them were beaten
and slaughtered. Bora, a Serb, red-faced, breathless, and despairing,
ran towards me and stood in front of me:
Here, take me instead of him. Hang me, and let him go.
![](smileys/smiley19.gif) I don't remember reading that one. My God, what strength. There aren't many beyond my own family I could do that for.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:11 |
"People started moving towards the buses, but some women and men
were taken aside and not allowed to get on.
I walked back to a spot where theyd killed a woman. She was
wearing dimije, the baggy Turkish-style trousers Muslim
women wear in the countryside. I took them off the dead woman and
put them on my ten-year-old son, Ramiz.
As we stood in front of the bus, they took one boy aside, just two
meters away from us. They stripped him naked and, cutting off his
testes, ordered his mother to eat them."
I heard about it at Omarska but I didn't realize they did it in Srebrenica.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:13 |
@ first story..
I just get shivers from each one of the stories I read..
Dont Give Me Away, Mom, Please is one of my favourites thought..![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
@ Second Story...
That is so un-human.. I really can't imagine that being true, I mean how is it possible for a person to cause that much pain on a Child, Mother, father etc..
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:15 |
Wheres the rest of that clip?
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:18 |
The anti - propoganda one?
I never found the second part of it.. But, here is a link to an article on this subject: http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/fooled.htm
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:21 |
My favourtie one is: Known and Unknown Friends, told by: Zora Udovcic, a refugee from Novska Kozarska, dubica.
If I leave everything behind I dont know what Ill do, I said. We have no money for the trip.
My neighbor hugged me, and while she sobbed and kissed me, I felt her push a rolled-up bill into my hand.
I cant help you more than that, she said as we parted. I wish you all the luck in the world.
So powerful, and emotional.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:35 |
I was hoping for the whole program, not a focus on the camp.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:37 |
I can't even look at such sites anymore, I just want to scream.
So whether or not your concentration camp had a barbed wire fence is relevent because...?
I heard Auschwitz didn't have a gate reading "Arbeit Macht Frei"...
quick, stop the presses. The whole holocaust was therefore a hoax.
EDIT: Reminds me of Radislav Krstic's defense at the Hague - he said he
should be acquitted because they didn't bury the bodies in the forest
as was claimed, they burried them in the riverbank.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:37 |
Mila,
why do I get the feeling you have posted those two witness accounts to shy
away from my post
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 00:40 |
Sorry, Mamaikon, I didn't see your post.
It was just an example, Mamaikon, to demonstrate my point. A
hypothetical situation in a vacuum, without consequences. I didn't
think about of these things.
It would be like saying - Bush said there won't be a civil war in Iraq
and that there are no signs one is coming - ha! Is he blind? I hope it
starts tomorrow, I hope it starts while he's giving a speech saying it
won't!
I'm not wishing for war or for people to die - it's just an example to
make a point. I really don't mean to think of consequences or these
sorts of things.
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