The Countdown to Iran attack

 

Militarily speaking (and only militarily) we have 3 corps (I, II and XII) available if Musharraf wants to take such an action, while the Iranians have only a brigade on the Eastern Frontier, in addition the all these corps are "heavy", so the capability is there.  Politically of course, its out of the question.

 

As for Waziristan, well he has pretty much got it where he wants, the militants are hiding in the mountains.

 

I think Iran's large naval assets would get destroyed without much problem, a sizeable portion of the airforce, since Iran knows it is at a significant disadvantage here it will stow its air assets in unknown and numerous underground facilities.  Land assets would pretty much be left unscathed on the scale of things.

 

 

First BlackWater is reinstated. Now they decide to pick up anyone they want.

 

Iraq is no soverign nation. Its a vassal of the American Empire.

Although, I feel, that your assessment does not have its head lost in the clouds, like some others, I still think you exaggerate Iran's power.

 

The Badr traitors numbering over 20000 trained men fought with Iran against their own country back in the 80-88 war and once a traitor always a traitor. They will join Iran and open an entire front behind the Americans which will make the current insurgency a blessing.

 

With this statement you are merging Saddam's regime with America (which when you come to think of it, is not that far out ). Badr are as much traitors as the French Resistance were - America installed Saddam's fascist, racist dictatorship and America destroyed it (Nazi Germany: Vichy France).  Are you saying that if America fights Iran and Badr side with Iran then they are traitors?  America is occupying their country and has overseen the direct and indirect murder of up to and over a million of their countrymen <--- 21st century holocaust and that is not to include the toll they suffered during the imposed war which, yes you guessed it, America, Saudi and other Arab brothers instigated by pulling their semi-controlled puppet, Saddam's, strings (how much did Saudi, UAE et all pay him to invade?).  Indeed, Badr would be doing their nation a great and glorious service in aiding Iran in any future conflict. 

 

As for the point made out by Sparten, well here is the problem. What does America really want from Iran. Does it want regime change, this can come only if the entire country was occupied by them and even with half a million soldies that is doubtful. There are 70 million Iranians living over 1 million sq Km and Iran has half a million soldiers and millions of reserve. Tehran is 1000 km away from any point of invasion and in any case American will have an uphill battle to cross the Zagros range. Does it want to end the nuclear program, well, even inthat case Iran must compensate for such a loss and this might come either from Iraq or even Azerbaijan where the Shia majority government their might take aggressive action towards Iran prompting the latter to invade that country not to mention taking revenge against the Americans in any way possible which will turn the war into a regional conflict. 

Finally in regards to the military aspect, well, the Iranians have many advantages that will ake do more than a bloody nose. The borders with Iraq is over 800 km and not protected and Iran can launch a double or triple flank invasion and dissipate any advantage the Americans have. Also, it is the size of the attack helicopter squadrons that will determine if the Americans will succeed. Iran has numerous attack helicopters including the terrible Mi-9. If you remember, Saddam effectively used them in the camaign of 88 against Iran in Al-Fao as well as against the rebels in the march uprising, he crushed the uprising in less than 2 weeks depite that they controlled 80% of Iraq. Americans used Apache waves to soften resistance and destroy what was left of the Iraqi Army in the Last war. Iran with its state of the art anti-tank weapon systems, provided by Russia which wants to see how effective they are against the americas, will pry on the armoured division and if played right and with good military command they might even win such battles. Finally, the suicide factor must not be taken out, even if Iran failed to attack carriers there are still plenty of targets good for Kamikazi attack and we all know how pathetic american SAM systems are compared with those of Russia.

 

Al-Jassas

First of all Zagros of course an Iranian pilot that the country spent millions to train will not be sacrificed on the altar of Mars for possible not certain gains, but I bet you there are tens of thousands of Martyr wannabe's who will and only need to be trained on how to fly an airplane and aim it not do complex maneuvours. Remember, most Kamikazi pilots and torpedoes used specially designed vessles and were mostly of Samurai or otherwise army personnel not trained pilots. as for flying planes into ships I would put the scheme above at the top of my priorities if I were an Iranian commander. The amount of losses as well as the horrendous death toll which could result will be a severe blow to the enemy moral as well as a masterful blow in strategic terms since not only the enemy will lose much of it domination but also will give much needed advantage in the sea as well as giving time for other military operations.

 

Also dea Leonidas, you really do not know the slightest thing about the regime in Tehran. Well, remeber that Saddam supported by much of the international community and the huge chaos that was gripping Iran in 1980 and he barely won the war, the later phase of it that is. Iran when this war happn will behave like Samson. It will look for the biggest pillar and will bring the entire temple down on everybodys head. One thing you must be shore of is that Iran WILL not stop until it gave a powerful response and more than a bloody nose. It will not invade Iraq immedeatly but it will make the life of americans there hell. If the US tries to invade which is a great possibility, they might intiate an invasion and things will just flare up.

By the way the helicopter I was referring to is Mil Mi-8, Mi-14 and Mi-24 all in service in Iran.

Al-Jassas

 

 

 

Originally posted by Al Jassas By the way the helicopter I was referring to is Mil Mi-8, Mi-14 and Mi-24 all in service in Iran.

meh they wont be flying anything if they cant secure the airspace. expect these to be grounded and hidden.