The fact remains that the conventional Egyptian chronology doesn't match the bible |
Agreed
(Joseph, Moses, exodus, Jericho, |
yes, the biblical uses a longer period of time, then the conventional
From Shishak, and onward, we do have better documentation.
Either one or the other or both is wrong. |
That depends upon how one views the "480 years". If you see it as an absolute figure, than yes "one or the other or both is wrong". However if one sees it as a code where "480 years" can be viewed as 40 x 12 years (since "40" days/years reoccur in scripture and has been interpreted as a "generation" then if the "480 years" can be interpreted as "12 generations" between the time of the Exodus and the building of the Temple then there is no real conflict with the conventional chronology. But, yes, this is only "an interpretation".
You imply the conventional is righter than the biblical. I hold that the conventional is wrong and biblical is right. I can't see anyway to resolve this until either side is able to more fully prove the othersides criticisms/doubts. |
I imply that the 480 years cannot be interpreted literally. It has no underpinnings except maybe that there are periods in between the Exodus and the Temple comprised of "40 years".
i.e.
40 years between the Exodus and the Conquest
40 years of the judgeship of Othniel
80 years (40 x 2) the land at peace after Ehud
40 years the land at peace after Deborah and Barak
40 years of the judgeship of Gideon
40 years under the Philistines
40 years of the judgeship of Eli
[40]? years of the kingship of Saul
40 years (7 in Judah + 33 over Israel) of the kingship of David
As you can see, figures of "40" (or multiples of it) occur frequently between the two events.
There is no proof that Amarna was 1300s bc and the "multiple" "sources" are limited and not infallibly reliable. |
Then you reject all the available documentation. They don't need to be "infallible" to be excepted as evidence. Your statement at least allows any reader (who cares) know that you ignore that evidence and that you rely on a number from a book of faith with unknown underpinnings.
I withdraw as i am disadvantaged by my situation esp the water. You win but i maintain my horizontal matches are right/stark even if i can't yet disprove the one vertical calculations counter argument. |
At least you own your "right/stark" "horizontal matches". The rest of us who want a serious and documented chronology for a reasonable historiography will rely on the inscriptional evidence.
(Incidentally there are close enough to 480 yrs from end of 12th dynasty to Ramses 2 in conventional chronology.) |
So, your main argument is to find the "best fit" for the 480 years with the conventional chronology. You then equate "Moses" with "end of 12th dynasty" and "Shishak" with Ramses II. In doing so you put all the earliest kings of Israel right smack in the middle of the period when Egypt had complete domination over Canaan. The documentation is quite clear, Canaan during this period was divided into petty city-kingdoms acknowledging the overlordship of the pharaohs. The kingdom of Saul, David, and Solomon was independent, and during the time of David and Solomon extended to the Euphrates, itself. It was a compact empire in its own right. Sorry but your "best fit" doesn't really fit.
The bible is not one single source. |
True, it is a series of "books" and letters from various authors.
Judges has 300 yrs to Jephthah |
But that span isn't based on the "year of the Exodus".
Judges gives the years for all the Judges and servitudes. |
which total more than the 480 years to the time of the construction of the Temple
Kings says 480 years in a pretty clear/precise not-figurative wording. |
That is a matter of interpretation.
Paul said 450 yrs in Acts. |
so, what's correct, 450 or 480?
which proves that the 480 years cannot account for the entire period of the Exodus, Conquest, Judges and the kings before Solomon.
(Herodotus dates Moeris 900 years before Amasis or Amyrtaeus, and said chariots were lost in Sesostris reign.) |
Herodotus is no authority on Egyptian chronology. We don't even know how he arrives at his figure. Sesostris (all of them) lived in the period before chariots even existed in Egypt!!!! It was the Hyksos who brought the chariot to Egypt.