Why do Turks think they are so brave?

It is redicilous to talk about the outnumbered Greeks of Byzanthine empire, and the outnumbered middle eastern population against Turkmens of western steppes. It is a fact that our ancestors knew how to conquer and rule. They made thyeir way from Central asia to ANATOLIA.

Our bravery cannot be defined on paper. We show it in battlefields when punishing them with the God's order. Our bravery lies inside our hearts, and in our history. We showed this lots of times from the times of Huns, to modern Turkish republic's War of Independence. Everyone knows that our great fathers kicked the heavy army of Greek invaders to Aegean sea with their limited sources and opportunities. Everyone also knows that our great fathers also denied the so called peace of Sevres, and didnt let their ancestoral inheritence to be raped by some European "gavur" unification. Bravery flows in your veins with your proud blood, not in your civilization with a single tooth left.

And about this "lose of Ottoman lands" issue. Libya, 12 islands, caucases, and Egypt werent lost during the war of independence. They were lost even before the WWI, so they show nothing about the "success" of our war. The middle eastern lands werent occupied with Turkish majority, and werent included in the "motherland plan" of Misak_� Milli. Also the Arabs werent such "loyal" at those times. So there even didnt happened a war to keep these lands under Turkish rule.

And about the war of Gallipoli. The war was finished with success and the Turks who sacrificed their lifes to protect their country and national honors against rich huge and unified forces of British, French, Anzac and other colonial slaves who wish to reach Istanbul. The war finished in success and by the bravery of "highschool students" all over my country. There are "LOTS" of interesting myths about that war, mostly mentioned by BRITISH and other enemy soldiers, about how brave Turks were and how they fought them with their "honor".

Today, the globalism  gun can degenerate lots of people all over the world, and mostly the people of developing nations, such as Turkey. Our nation wouldnt look like in the old days of honor and braveary in world media and personally. You can look at history in different perspectives, and judge us with differet points of view. But if to realize how brave we are and why we keep on defending our history and braveary, there is only one way to understand the truth. You should have a war with some Turkish men. This is the only way to reach a decision...

Because "Her T�rk asker do�ar!"...

Edited by Oguzoglu

The old mighty God of Nationalism has "blessed" this topic....Nationalism is not a characteristic of civilized people but of animals with 2 legs......

And where did the Ottoman Turks come from?  They came from Central Asia as nomads.  It's funny how the only people here so devoted to taking credit away from our bravery are Greeks.

Nobody said that the Turks are not brave.As i've said,in another topic i think,every country has it's examples of bravery other big other small.But claiming that the Turks are THE BRAVEST is pretty ridiculous..... 

Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer About the topic, I should say that every nation has clear examples of bravery. Let's not turn the topic in an endless and pointless discussion. Regards

But looks like that Greeks love such discussions. A week without Greeks vs someone else seems to be lost to them. They are the bravest in AE.

Because most of the wars we have fought, we have been out numbered very significantly.  This never bothered us, we just run towards the enemy without an ounce of fear in us,

 This is stupidity not bravery.

Edited by Quetzalcoatl

Turks are not the bravest people in the world and the same goes for all other cultures. Saying that you are the bravest people ever is just blind nationalism.

I think that the Greeks who held off the enemy thus allowing their own army to successfully retreat at Thermopylae were immensely brave.
I think that Japanese soldiers who led Bonzai charges against US Marines, only to be mowed down by machine guns are immensely brave.
I think that American Marines at Chosin reservoir were just as brave as any turks in Korea.
I think Russian Soldiers at Stalingrad were Brave.

As I said earlier though, saying that you are the bravest in the world is only showing that you are blind with Nationalism.

Ok for some reason people here are pulling words out of the Turks asses.  Show me anywhere in this topic where a Turk said we are the bravest in the world.

Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl The most recent best example is when Turkey fought for their independence after the Ottoman Empire collapsed. We had nothing and were very un-organized but managed to defeat all the invading armies, Greece, England, Italy, France, Australia and New Zealand.    LOL, the turks only managed to hold a small  invading allies army while the rest were fighting worthy enemies like the germans and Austrians. in fact we never thought of the Turks as important enough, once the germans lost the war, the Turks are nothing.

What defines worthy?Have you heard of the seit onba��?I'm sure you haven't...

Heh, many western commentators, especially during the 18th and 19th century thought, that the very fatalism of the Turkish soldier, which some have called bravery, is actually one of his biggest draw-backs. Being careless with your life isn't a good thing.

Also, silly to think that one ethnicity could some how be braver than another. You can't measure bravery and so you cannot state that one people is braver than the other on average. Ridiculous.

Edited by wilpuri