Free University of Berlin denies Batak massacre!!!

I haven't read it either.

You do not even know what it says. You are just complaining about it, from a report, from other people WHO HAVE NOT READ IT.

Its the most ridiculous thing ever. You can't complain about something, until you know what you are complaining about! Surely.

Originally posted by DayI In 1930's the new Turkish government had sold/sent many (tons of) Ottoman archives to Bulgaria.  for Turkish users, this video might help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oon1dnqXmSs (there was even a Quran written in 18th century which weight over 70kg!).

Originally posted by Ovidius Its the most ridiculous thing ever. You can't complain about something, until you know what you are complaining about!

I know the aim of the article-declaring the Batak massacre to be a myth which released a massive outcry in Bulgaria.I just don't know the details such as what "evidence" he used.I know he stated that McGahan exaggerated in his report.

Originally posted by Anton Originally posted by DayI In 1930's the new Turkish government had sold/sent many (tons of) Ottoman archives to Bulgaria.  for Turkish users, this video might help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oon1dnqXmSs (there was even a Quran written in 18th century which weight over 70kg!).   That is separate but interesting question. As far as I know the story was as follows. Bulgaria wanted Ottoman archives that were related to Vasil Levski -- one of the most respected Bulgarian rebels. He was sentensed to death and documents about the trial were in Turkey. The story was dark and there was some palm-oil and finally the whole archive was sold as mackle-paper So, now Turkey obviously wants it back.

In that video it says something about those archives being sold as mackle-paper but not about Vasil Levski, thanks for the info.

MEIN GOTT! How can someone create a whole thread about something he didn't even read?FREE UNIVERSITY OF BERLIN DOES NOT DENIES BATAK MASSACRE!



Edited by Jagiello - 29-Apr-2007 at 06:53

They dont deny the Batak massacres,but they claim that the massacre was a little bit exaggerated and actually very few people were killed.The problem is that Brunbauer and Baleva made very controversial statement without having solid proofs.Their main evidence are the reports of Macchagan,a picture and a paint,nothing serious.It will be the same if i say that there was not Holocoust.The massacre of Batak is investigated by a few generations bulgarian historians and they proved a long time ago its existence.Facts are facts,evidences are undeniable.The result of all this will be the ruined reputation of Martina Baleva,for Mr Ulf i am not sure.

Edited by Krum - 29-Apr-2007 at 09:22

What scares me more is that Baleva is Bulgarian.

The Holy Synod of the Bulgarian orthodox church is gathering everything necessary and is preparing the declaration of the butchered people of Batak for Holy Martyrs.I have the article but only in Bulgarian.
http://www.focus-news.net/?id=n692922

 

Originally posted by Krum They dont deny the Batak massacres,but they claim that the massacre was a little bit exaggerated and actually very few people were killed.The problem is that Brunbauer and Baleva made very controversial statement without having solid proofs.Their main evidence are the reports of Macchagan,a picture and a paint,nothing serious.It will be the same if i say that there was not Holocoust.The massacre of Batak is investigated by a few generations bulgarian historians and they proved a long time ago its existence.Facts are facts,evidences are undeniable.The result of all this will be the ruined reputation of Martina Baleva,for Mr Ulf i am not sure.

there will be no such thing.

I'm pretty sure the statements are based on some pretty intensive research.
Brunnbauers research is in Memory and National Myths. Batak is a National myth.

The problem here is the way in which Bulgarians are showing their Ignorance of modern Scholarship. A Myth, in Anthropology, is not something that 'didn't happen', but is something that has entered the national Conciousness in a specific way. Its part of a victim idealism within the Bulgarian National identity, when approaching the Bulgarians.

I'm pretty sure, Brunnbauer is researching and has developed a working theory on how the massacre has entered your identity - working proof being expressed right here on this forum.

It is nothing like the Holocaust, not at all. Its more like saying that Israelis have a belief in their movement because the holocaust occurred. Something like this.

anyhow-  Brunnbauer is not some sort of Mythbuster - he does not want to 'demythologise', he wants to understand national myths and their dynamics within identities. I think this whole thread is bizarre. Brunnbauer is not really a Historian, why would he be investigating a massacre historically?

His work about Historiography is brilliant - it is one of the best works about post-communist  South East European historical scholarship. To somehow claim that he has gone from being one of the most eminent Scholars in South East European Studies to some money Grabbing, Bribable, corruptable scholar, who writes works that are innacurate, unscholarly and completely going against his whole position. I think that is perhaps a little silly.

I've read an article about this and Brunbauer will have a conference at Sophia (bulgaria) about this on 17 may!

http://dnes.dir.bg/2007/04/25/news1613846.html


Clownbauer and Baleva cleared all their ridiculous claims about the "doubtfully high number of victims" and the project's name turned from "Is the Batak massacre a myth?" to "Batak-a place of memory" considering the heated debates in Bulgaria.

However the german foundation "Memory and Future" declares that the conference in May won't be made it freezed the project.

Ulf said that he was sad that no one in Bulgaria wanted to accept his views."In this situation it's pointless to make the conference" yes you better say that


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 30-Apr-2007 at 17:21