QuoteReplyTopic: Lack of respect for Democracy or Democratic Proces Posted: 25-Mar-2010 at 09:20
The Conservative movement has shown its ugly face, violence. The Conservative movement has truly become a fascist movement, with no respect for democracy or the democratic process.
The conservative movement has become a nasty racist violent fascist movement, intent on destroying the democratic system.
FBI Investigating Threats Against
Democrats
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In the wake of his vote in favor of health care legislation, Rep. Bart Stupak (D- Mich.), a
strong opponent of abortion rights, has been on the receiving end of a
string of hostile and threatening messages, including death threats.
Other House Democratic leaders who supported the bill area also
concerned about their personal safety. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer
says more than 10 Democratic lawmakers have reported incidents. Hoyer
adds that the FBI and Capitol Police briefed Democrats on how to handle
perceived security threats.
The FBI says that all threats and incidents directed against members of
Congress are taken seriously and are being investigated by the FBI. The
bureau's Washington field office issued the statement.
The FBI statement added that U.S. Capitol Police and other law
enforcement agencies also are investigating to identify and bring to
justice those responsible.
Protests swirled around the Capitol during debate on the health care
overhaul last weekend. Protesters hurled racial slurs at several black
lawmakers and one protester spat at a black lawmaker.
Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the Democratic whip and a senior
member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said he has vivid memories of
history and that the scene on the street Saturday was "very reminiscent
of our history."
Bricks were thrown through windows at two Democratic Party offices in
western New York, including a district office of Rep. Louise Slaughter,
who played a key role in getting the health care bill through the House.
The Tucson, Ariz., congressional office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was
also vandalized a few hours after the House vote.
Hoyer said there were incidents such as people yelling that Democratic
lawmakers should be put on firing lines and posters with the faces of
lawmakers in the crosshairs of a target.
While not directly criticizing Republicans, Hoyer said that "any show of
appreciation for such actions encourages such action."
Several Republicans stood on the second-floor Speaker's Balcony
overlooking the West Front of the Capitol cheering on the protesters and
waving signs such as "Kill the bill."
Hoyer said Democrats were talking to the Republican leadership and hoped
to come up with a united front on the security issue.
House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said in a statement that
while many Americans are angry over passage of the health care bill,
"violence and threats are unacceptable.
"That's not the American way," Boehner said. "We need to take that anger
and channel it into positive change."
Authorities are in addition investigating a severed propane line at the
home of a Virginia congressman's brother after tea party activists
posted the man's address online.
Activists are upset about U.S. Rep. Tom Perriello's vote in favor of the
health care reform.
Perriello's office said that a line to a propane tank on a gas grill was
cut at Bo Periello's Charlottesville home on Tuesday. Tea party
activists had posted the address online thinking it was the
congressman's home, telling opponents to drop by and "express their
thanks" for his vote.
Stupak's office recently released some of the objectionable messages to
CBS News, and can be heard here.
WASHINGTON — Democratic lawmakers have received death threats and been
the victims of vandalism because of their votes in favor of the health
care bill, lawmakers and law enforcement officials said Wednesday, as
the Congressional debate over the issue headed toward a bitter and
divisive conclusion.
Representative Steny H.
Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland and the majority leader, said at least
10 House members had raised concerns about their personal security since
Sunday’s climactic vote, and Mr. Hoyer characterized the cases as
serious.
At least two Congressional district offices were vandalized and
Representative Louise
M. Slaughter, a senior Democrat from New York, received a phone
message threatening sniper attacks against lawmakers and their families.
Ms. Slaughter also reported that a brick was thrown through a window of
her office in Niagara Falls, and Representative Gabrielle Giffords,
Democrat of Arizona, said Monday that her Tucson office was vandalized
after the vote.
The Associated Press reported that the authorities in Virginia were
investigating a cut propane line to an outdoor grill at the home
of a brother of Representative Tom Perriello of Virginia, after the
address was mistakenly listed on a Tea Party Web site as the residence of the
congressman. Representative Bart Stupak,
Democrat of Michigan and a central figure in the measure’s abortion provisions, reported receiving
threatening phone calls.
Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, the highest-ranking
black lawmaker in the House, said he received an anonymous fax showing
the image of a noose.
As they prepared to leave Washington for a two-week recess, House
Democrats met with Capitol Police and representatives of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to get advice on
security issues, and they pressed Republicans to join them in renouncing
threats and violence.
“What we want to be sure is that people know that these threats have no
place in our country,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi
said. “We have a legitimate disagreement. We have passed landmark
legislation, and there are strong differences of opinion about it. Our
Constitution allows us to have a lively debate in that regard, and that
does not include threats to violence.”
Representative John A.
Boehner of Ohio, the Republican leader, spoke out against violence
but encouraged Americans to continue to find ways to counter the
legislation. “I know many Americans are angry over this health care
bill, and that Washington Democrats just aren’t listening,” Mr. Boehner
said in a statement. “But, as I’ve said, violence and threats are
unacceptable. That’s not the American way. We need to take that anger
and channel it into positive change.”
Republicans also noted that their members have received threats in the
past and that Senator Jim Bunning,
Republican of Kentucky, was recently the target of abuse when he
blocked added unemployment benefits.
Still, the dark and personal tone of the final stages of the health
fight could complicate Republican efforts to maintain their attacks on
the legislation if they are seen as inciting an undue level of outrage
and, conversely, could bolster Democrats if opponents of the measure are
seen as breaching the boundaries of civility.
The reports of threats, coming after a tense weekend when protesters
hurled racial and homophobic slurs at Democrats and spit on one
congressman, left many Democrats shaken.
Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the F.B.I., said the bureau was aware of
several threats against members of Congress and was investigating them
jointly with the Capitol Police, which handles security for Congress,
and local law enforcement agencies. He declined to say how many cases
there were or to describe them in detail. “We are looking at them and
taking them very seriously,” Mr. Bresson said.
Democrats also raised questions about some of the imagery and phrases
being employed by Republicans against the Democratic architects and
backers of the measure, noting that a Republican National Committee Web
site urging supporters to fire Ms. Pelosi has her surrounded by flames. A
Facebook
page of Sarah Palin
singling out Democratic members for defeat because of their votes
defines their districts by the crosshairs of a weapon’s sight.
Republicans dismissed objections to the imagery. “The message of our Web
site is clear, it is time to put Nancy Pelosi out of a job,” said Katie
Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee.
In the Senate, Democrats sought to finish changes to the new health
legislation by plowing through dozens of Republican efforts to change
the measure and force a second House vote.
Senate Democrats accused Republicans of delay tactics and of forcing the
cancellation of unrelated committee sessions over anger about the
health measure.
Senators Carl Levin
of Michigan and Claire McCaskill of Missouri were furious that
Republican objections prevented hearings Wednesday on the Pentagon
budget and the training of Afghan police officers.
“The obstruction has become mindless, it’s become purposeless,” Mr.
Levin said.
Republicans offered numerous proposals to highlight what they see as
flaws in the health law and to force Democrats into taking politically
difficult votes. One amendment, proposed by Senator Tom Coburn
of Oklahoma, would prohibit coverage of Viagra for child molesters.
The Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid
of Nevada, said the passel of amendments showed Republicans were
“putting roadblocks in front of anything that we do to try to improve
health care for America.”
“How serious could they be, offering an amendment dealing with Viagra
for rapists?” Mr. Reid asked.
On Wednesday night, the Senate voted, 57 to 42, to kill the amendment.
As midnight approached, Senate Democrats had voted down more than 20
Republican amendments, preventing any changes to the bill and keeping it
on track to final passage.
Republicans said they would not curtail their campaign against the
measure even if the changes pass the Senate and become law. “We’ve
fought on behalf of the American people this week — and we’ll continue
to fight until this bill is repealed and replaced with common-sense
ideas that solve our problems without dismantling the health care system
we have,” said Senator Mitch
McConnell, of Kentucky, the Republican leader.
One day after he signed the health measure into law during a festive
East Room ceremony, President
Obama held a far different ceremony on Wednesday: a closed-door Oval
Office session where, in the presence of 13 anti-abortion Democrats
including Mr. Stupak, he put his signature to an executive order barring
federal financing for abortion. The order helped secure House passage
of the bill by securing the votes of Mr. Stupak and others. After Mr.
Obama signed it, at 2:34 p.m., the White House released an official
photograph — the only coverage of the event.
White House officials also held a conference call with reporters to
argue for the clear constitutionality of the new health insurance law based on
court precedents, and one called lawsuits being initiated against it by
attorneys general around the country “completely without merit.”
A coffin was placed on a Missouri Democrat’s
lawn, another in a string of incidents against lawmakers after their
vote Sunday on a health care overhaul.
Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) had a coffin placed “near his home,” a
spokesman said Wednesday evening.
The coffin was from a prayer vigil.
This came after Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother’s gas lines were
cut, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) received death threats and Rules
Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) received a message saying
snipers were being deployed to kill children of those who voted for
health care overhaul.
Several other Democrats have had threats leveled against them, prompting
a closed-door briefing of Democratic members by the FBI, Capitol Police
and the House Sergeant at Arms.
“Carnahan appreciates thoughtful feedback received both in favor and
opposition of health insurance reform,” Carnahan spokesman Jim Hubbard
told POLITICO Wednesday evening “We can disagree on important issues
facing our country without resorting to this kind of thing. Russ
Carnahan isn’t going to shy away from the importance of reform when
45,000 fellow Americans died last year due to a lack of health
insurance.”
Top story overnight: The FBI is currently investigating threats made
against at least 10 members of Congress, The Associated Press reported.
Windows were shattered at four Democratic offices in New York, Arizona
and Kansas. In
Virginia, someone cut a propane line at a house believed to be owned by Rep. Tom Perriello (it
was actually his brother's residence). Angry and obscenity-laden
comments have flooded into the offices of lawmakers since the passage of
the health care reform
bill. Some callers have even made death threats
against the lawmakers and their children. While House Republican leader John
Boehner said the "violence and threats are unacceptable," Sarah Palin's Twitter page
encouraged supporters: "Don't retreat, instead - reload!" The former
vice presidential candidate's Facebook page also featured a map of the U.S.
with circles and cross hairs over 20 districts.
This guy, who rails against health care reform and calls on others to violently resist health care reform and threaten Democrats who support it, LIVES ON GOVERNMENT AID. (article has been shortened, full article available at the link)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 25, 2010; 3:52 PM
The call to arms was issued at 5:55 a.m. last Friday.
"To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows.
Break them NOW."
These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former
militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic
health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's
Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic
offices nationwide.
"So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they]
cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the
blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to
break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad
daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil
disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break
them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM."
In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local
Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats
from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers
reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their
offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering
lawmakers increased protection.
Local Democratic Party officials in New York have called for
Vanderboegh's arrest, believing he is implicated in the vandalism in
Rochester, but Vanderboegh said he has not yet been questioned by any
law enforcement authorities.
Vanderboegh was unapologetic in a 45-minute telephone interview with The
Washington Post early Thursday. He said he believes throwing bricks
through windows sends a warning to Democratic lawmakers that the
health-care reform legislation they passed Sunday has caused so much
unrest that it could result in a civil war.
"The federal government should not have the ability to command us to buy
something that it decides we should buy," Vanderboegh said. The
government, he added, has "absolutely no idea the number of alienated
who feel that their backs are to the wall are out here . . . who are not
only willing to resist this law to the very end of their lives, but are
armed and are capable of making such resistance possible and perhaps
even initiating a civil war."
...
He said his call for people to throw bricks is "both good manners and
it's also a moral duty to try to warn people."
Vanderboegh, who lives in the Birmingham suburb of Pinson, described
himself as a "Christian libertarian" and said he has long been a gun
rights advocate. He said he joined a clandestine militia group called
the "Sons of Liberty" and later became a public leader of the First
Alabama Cavalry, Constitutional Militia.
In 2006, Vanderboegh advocated hurling bricks through the windows of
members of Congress who supported giving illegal immigrants the same
rights as U.S. citizens, according to news reports at the time. He said
those bricks should be used to build a wall sealing off the United
States from Mexico.
Vanderboegh has no criminal record in Jefferson County, Ala., according
to a court clerk there.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist and hate groups,
has been following Vanderboegh since the mid-1990s, when he first
surfaced in Alabama militia groups, said Heidi Beirich, the center's
research director.
"He has been on our radar forever," she said. "He hasn't been involved
in any kind of violence that we know of ourselves, but these causes that
he's involved in led to a lot of violence. The ideas that Vanderboegh's
militia groups were pushing were the same extreme anti-government ideas
that inspired [Timothy] McVeigh in the Oklahoma City bombing."
Vanderboegh said he once worked as a warehouse manager but now lives on
government disability checks.He said he receives $1,300 a month because
of his congestive heart failure, diabetes and hypertension. He has
private health insurance through his wife, who works for a company that
sells forklift products.
...
Vanderboegh said he advocates breaking windows only of Democratic Party
offices, not congressional offices, and that he does not condone the
death threats and other incidents of harassment that some Democratic
lawmakers have faced.
"Obviously I not only deplore or decry that, but I denounce that
vigorously because it has nothing to do with what I was advocating," he
said.
Still, Vanderboegh's public cry for vandalism has made him vulnerable to
the same threats.
"Frankly," he said, "my phone's been ringing off the hook with death
threats the last few days."
Source for the article below: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/White-Powder-Package-Sent-to-Congressman-Weiners-Office-89136827.html
"DROP DEAD": White Powder Package Sent to Rep.
Weiner's Office
Preliminary field tests show white powder is
harmless
Authorities are investigating
a package with white powder and an angry letter that referenced the
health care legislation that was sent to Congressman Weiner's Kew
Gardens office today.
The letter said the
Congressman should "drop dead" and complained about the historic health
care legislation passed by Congress this week.
Preliminary field tests
showed the white powder was harmless. Such testing is routine to
determine whether the substance is in any way hazardous. It is being
sent to a lab for further detailed testing as a precaution -- also
common practice. Most often, officials say, these letters are hoaxes.
Weiner's fifth-floor office
in a building on Kew Gardens Road was evacuated as were a doctor's
office and a law office on the same floor. Nine people were inside
Weiner's office at the time. The workers were decontaminated as a
precaution.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday condemned vandalism
and threats against members of Congress who voted to overhaul the U.S.
health care system. Republicans joined in, telling people to calm down
and saying they too were being targeted in an increasingly venomous
political atmosphere.
"I don't want this to be a
distraction" to the work of Congress, Pelosi said. But she also asserted
that such violence and threats of reprisal have "no place in a civil
debate in our country" and must be rejected.
Her sentiments were echoed
minutes later by House Republican leader John Boehner,
who said that while many are angry over the health care measure,
"threats and violence should not be part of a political debate."
The House's No. 3
Republican, Eric Cantor of Virginia, said at a brief news conference
Thursday that someone fired a bullet through a window of his campaign
office in Richmond this week and he has received threatening e-mails.
Responding to Democrats who have accused Republicans
of being too slow to condemn the attacks against lawmakers, he stressed
that security threats are not a partisan issue. "To use such threats as
political weapons is reprehensible," he said.
The actions against
Democrats have included racial slurs thrown at black lawmakers, e-mail
and phone death threats and bricks thrown through regional office
windows.
Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New
York Democrat and chairwoman of an influential House committee, said
someone had left her a voice mail that used the word "snipers."
On the Republican side, the
office of Rep. Jean Schmidt of Ohio released a tape of a
profanity-laced phone message in which the caller said Republicans were
racists and, referring to an accident two years ago when Schmidt was hit
by a car while jogging, said, "you should have broke your back, b... ."
Senate Sergeant at Arms
Terry Gainer told The Associated Press Thursday that there was "no
evidence that annoying, harassing or threatening telephone calls or
emails are coordinated. Regrettably though, bloggers and twitters seem
to feed off each other, leaving little room for creativity."
At the news conference,
Pelosi said it is "important for us to be able to express ourselves
freely, not to diminish that in any way, but also to hit a standard that
says some of the actions ... must be rejected."
But the California Democrat
also said she did not "subscribe to the theory that these acts sprang
from the comments of my colleagues."
The vandalism and threats
surprised a researcher at a think tank that monitors extremist groups.
"I think it is astounding
that we are seeing this wave of vigilantism," said Mark Potok of the
Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.
Source for the article below: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/25/850600/-UPDATE:-The-crazy-right-is-mobilizing...-This-sh*t-is-getting-scary
Anyways, the email I received today sent chills down my spine and is
further proof that the far right is resorting to domestic terrorism in
order to promote their deranged, paranoid, and outrageous claims. A
special thank you to the MSM, the Tea Party Movement, and congressional
Republicans for doing nothing to stop this madness. We are now
left with two parties:
The democratically elected party that
executes its ideas with legislation and law, with votes from those who
were elected by the majority of this country
VS
The failed party that believes democracy is
only legitimate when their side is in charge. And when they aren't,
they resort to violence and threats
The time has come to take action into our own hands! The washington
democrats no longer represent the people of America and its time we take
action to stop these socialists before they ruin this great nation.
Obamacare took this to the next level, as now we are no longer dealing
with just socialists, but murderers. Under these new laws, the unborn
will be slaughtered by the thousands, the elderly will be killed based
on their "perceived" value to society. THIS MUST STOP
So what can we do, they took away our voice, they took away our
rights. But we still have force. We are angry and we can fight. Keep
your arms hidden, and keep many of them. If you don't have any, buy
while you still can. We will hit them where it hurts and we will do it
together. They cannot stop a network of us when we fight as one, so be
prepared.
We fight back in the name of Gods children and all others who will
suffer due to our dictators demands. Those lives are worth the same as
the arrogant men and women who sit in our capital, and we are prepared
to prove it.
There have been some great stories about bricks being thrown, calls
being made, and gas lines being cut. Good. We should keep it up, pay a
visit to any Dems in your area who voted for it. Use this email as a
thread to exchange their personal contact information so we can keep
getting to them. They can't stop us, and they have waged a war they will
not win.
If they won't listen to us, we will make them listen. Damn it, this
is our country, and I would sooner die than see it continue to fall at
the hands of these murderers. Whose with me? Who will stand with me, and
be prepared to fight when the time comes? Lock 'n load my friends,
we're taking our country back, one dirtbag at a time if we have to.
BETTER BUY A GUN, THESE LIB'RULS ARE RUINING MURCAH!!
UPDATE: Thanks for the recs -- please seriously
consider sending some support/donations/volunteerwork to the
representatives listed above. Or at the very least give them a call to
say something nice and let them know you're standing by them!
UPDATE X2: Looks like Republicans are fighting back
by, instead of apologizing, pretending that they are victims too. Here
is Cantor's claim. How much do you want to bet that it was either
A) made up or B) performed by Tea Baggers who are trying to pinpoint
Democrats. Because seriously, what the f**k do we have to be angry
about? WE WON. Also, in regards to the "threats" he received, you REALLY
think he wouldn't release them if they were from the left? Right...
UPDATE X3: In regards to Update 2... as
expected, bullshit. Thank you Bonsai66 for reporting this: "Cantor,
in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch, said he
doesn't know whether the shot was random or aimed at the building."
Here's the thing: it absolutely would be "fanning the
flames" if Democrats were purely speculating that right-wing extremists
were behind all of these threats and acts of violence. However
there is overwhelming evidence to prove that the crazy Teabaggers ARE
behind this. Unlike Cantor's claim which is, in fact, complete
speculation. The guy doesn't even remember when it happened! Great
comment on this here
And now that FOX News is shouting this from the rooftops and tweeting
it before they get the story straight, guess what: some right-wing
lunatic will say "THE LEFT IS USING GUNS TO FIGHT, NOW IT'S OUR TURN".
The media has consequences, and I think we're about to see them in very
frightening ways.
Update X5:Cantor's
story confirmed complete and utter crap Both this and update X4 are
no longer breaking news at all, but has the MSM corrected their stories
or brought Weiner up to the front pages like they did for Cantor? Of
course not
Thanks for posting the rules, maybe now you will follow them:
1. Search
for an already open topic on the subject. Redundant
topics will be closed as soon as the moderators identify them.
-done.
2. Write the entry yourself. As soon as we
identify a
copy-and-paste job, we will close the topic.
- all the posts I write are my own, I'm not claiming anyone
else's posts
as mine.
3. Provide evidence to support your arguments.
Failure to do so
may close the topic.
- I have posted numerous articles to support my claims, where is
your support? You seem to miss the point of all of these articles, they are there to support claims that I am making, DID YOU EVEN READ THE POSTS I POSTED?
4. Provide references for your quotes; at
least one of them
should be an online reference. Members should be able to access at least
one source to immediately to assess its worth. Failure to comply with
this point may close the topic.
-I have sourced and referenced everything.
Nice try
Opuslola, but the tactics that you and your fellow conservatives are
used to wont work here. Whats the problem, dont like the information
thats being posted? Is that it? Is that why you're trying to shut this
thread down so hard?
STOP TROLLING AND FLAMING, IF YOU WANT TO
DISCUSS THE TOPIC, DISCUSS THE TOPIC, IF NOT, STOP POSTING NON-SENSE.
The Conservative movement has shown its ugly face, violence. The Conservative movement has truly become a fascist movement, with no respect for democracy or the democratic process.The conservative movement has become a nasty racist violent fascist movement, intent on destroying the democratic system.
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In the wake of his vote in favor of health care legislation, Rep. Bart Stupak (D- Mich.), a
strong opponent of abortion rights, has been on the receiving end of a
string of hostile and threatening messages, including death threats.
Other House Democratic leaders who supported the bill area also
concerned about their personal safety. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer
says more than 10 Democratic lawmakers have reported incidents. Hoyer
adds that the FBI and Capitol Police briefed Democrats on how to handle
perceived security threats.
The FBI says that all threats and incidents directed against members of
Congress are taken seriously and are being investigated by the FBI. The
bureau's Washington field office issued the statement.
The FBI statement added that U.S. Capitol Police and other law
enforcement agencies also are investigating to identify and bring to
justice those responsible.
Protests swirled around the Capitol during debate on the health care
overhaul last weekend. Protesters hurled racial slurs at several black
lawmakers and one protester spat at a black lawmaker.
Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the Democratic whip and a senior
member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said he has vivid memories of
history and that the scene on the street Saturday was "very reminiscent
of our history."
Bricks were thrown through windows at two Democratic Party offices in
western New York, including a district office of Rep. Louise Slaughter,
who played a key role in getting the health care bill through the House.
The Tucson, Ariz., congressional office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was
also vandalized a few hours after the House vote.
Hoyer said there were incidents such as people yelling that Democratic
lawmakers should be put on firing lines and posters with the faces of
lawmakers in the crosshairs of a target.
While not directly criticizing Republicans, Hoyer said that "any show of
appreciation for such actions encourages such action."
Several Republicans stood on the second-floor Speaker's Balcony
overlooking the West Front of the Capitol cheering on the protesters and
waving signs such as "Kill the bill."
Hoyer said Democrats were talking to the Republican leadership and hoped
to come up with a united front on the security issue.
House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said in a statement that
while many Americans are angry over passage of the health care bill,
"violence and threats are unacceptable.
"That's not the American way," Boehner said. "We need to take that anger
and channel it into positive change."
Authorities are in addition investigating a severed propane line at the
home of a Virginia congressman's brother after tea party activists
posted the man's address online.
Activists are upset about U.S. Rep. Tom Perriello's vote in favor of the
health care reform.
Perriello's office said that a line to a propane tank on a gas grill was
cut at Bo Periello's Charlottesville home on Tuesday. Tea party
activists had posted the address online thinking it was the
congressman's home, telling opponents to drop by and "express their
thanks" for his vote.
Stupak's office recently released some of the objectionable messages to
CBS News, and can be heard here.
<h1>After Health Vote, Threats on Democrats</h1>WASHINGTON — Democratic lawmakers have received death threats and been
the victims of vandalism because of their votes in favor of the health
care bill, lawmakers and law enforcement officials said Wednesday, as
the Congressional debate over the issue headed toward a bitter and
divisive conclusion.
Representative Steny H.
Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland and the majority leader, said at least
10 House members had raised concerns about their personal security since
Sunday’s climactic vote, and Mr. Hoyer characterized the cases as
serious.
At least two Congressional district offices were vandalized and
Representative Louise
M. Slaughter, a senior Democrat from New York, received a phone
message threatening sniper attacks against lawmakers and their families.
Ms. Slaughter also reported that a brick was thrown through a window of
her office in Niagara Falls, and Representative Gabrielle Giffords,
Democrat of Arizona, said Monday that her Tucson office was vandalized
after the vote.
The Associated Press reported that the authorities in Virginia were
investigating a cut propane line to an outdoor grill at the home
of a brother of Representative Tom Perriello of Virginia, after the
address was mistakenly listed on a Tea Party Web site as the residence of the
congressman. Representative Bart Stupak,
Democrat of Michigan and a central figure in the measure’s abortion provisions, reported receiving
threatening phone calls.
Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, the highest-ranking
black lawmaker in the House, said he received an anonymous fax showing
the image of a noose.
As they prepared to leave Washington for a two-week recess, House
Democrats met with Capitol Police and representatives of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to get advice on
security issues, and they pressed Republicans to join them in renouncing
threats and violence.
“What we want to be sure is that people know that these threats have no
place in our country,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. “We have a legitimate disagreement. We have passed landmark
legislation, and there are strong differences of opinion about it. Our
Constitution allows us to have a lively debate in that regard, and that
does not include threats to violence.”
Representative John A.
Boehner of Ohio, the Republican leader, spoke out against violence
but encouraged Americans to continue to find ways to counter the
legislation. “I know many Americans are angry over this health care
bill, and that Washington Democrats just aren’t listening,” Mr. Boehner
said in a statement. “But, as I’ve said, violence and threats are
unacceptable. That’s not the American way. We need to take that anger
and channel it into positive change.”
Republicans also noted that their members have received threats in the
past and that Senator Jim Bunning,
Republican of Kentucky, was recently the target of abuse when he
blocked added unemployment benefits.
Still, the dark and personal tone of the final stages of the health
fight could complicate Republican efforts to maintain their attacks on
the legislation if they are seen as inciting an undue level of outrage
and, conversely, could bolster Democrats if opponents of the measure are
seen as breaching the boundaries of civility.
The reports of threats, coming after a tense weekend when protesters
hurled racial and homophobic slurs at Democrats and spit on one
congressman, left many Democrats shaken.
Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the F.B.I., said the bureau was aware of
several threats against members of Congress and was investigating them
jointly with the Capitol Police, which handles security for Congress,
and local law enforcement agencies. He declined to say how many cases
there were or to describe them in detail. “We are looking at them and
taking them very seriously,” Mr. Bresson said.
Democrats also raised questions about some of the imagery and phrases
being employed by Republicans against the Democratic architects and
backers of the measure, noting that a Republican National Committee Web
site urging supporters to fire Ms. Pelosi has her surrounded by flames. A
Facebook page of Sarah Palin singling out Democratic members for defeat because of their votes
defines their districts by the crosshairs of a weapon’s sight.
Republicans dismissed objections to the imagery. “The message of our Web
site is clear, it is time to put Nancy Pelosi out of a job,” said Katie
Wright, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee.
In the Senate, Democrats sought to finish changes to the new health
legislation by plowing through dozens of Republican efforts to change
the measure and force a second House vote.
Senate Democrats accused Republicans of delay tactics and of forcing the
cancellation of unrelated committee sessions over anger about the
health measure.
Senators Carl Levin of Michigan and Claire McCaskill of Missouri were furious that
Republican objections prevented hearings Wednesday on the Pentagon
budget and the training of Afghan police officers.
“The obstruction has become mindless, it’s become purposeless,” Mr.
Levin said.
Republicans offered numerous proposals to highlight what they see as
flaws in the health law and to force Democrats into taking politically
difficult votes. One amendment, proposed by Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, would prohibit coverage of Viagra for child molesters.
The Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said the passel of amendments showed Republicans were
“putting roadblocks in front of anything that we do to try to improve
health care for America.”
“How serious could they be, offering an amendment dealing with Viagra
for rapists?” Mr. Reid asked.
On Wednesday night, the Senate voted, 57 to 42, to kill the amendment.
As midnight approached, Senate Democrats had voted down more than 20
Republican amendments, preventing any changes to the bill and keeping it
on track to final passage.
Republicans said they would not curtail their campaign against the
measure even if the changes pass the Senate and become law. “We’ve
fought on behalf of the American people this week — and we’ll continue
to fight until this bill is repealed and replaced with common-sense
ideas that solve our problems without dismantling the health care system
we have,” said Senator Mitch
McConnell, of Kentucky, the Republican leader.
One day after he signed the health measure into law during a festive
East Room ceremony, President
Obama held a far different ceremony on Wednesday: a closed-door Oval
Office session where, in the presence of 13 anti-abortion Democrats
including Mr. Stupak, he put his signature to an executive order barring
federal financing for abortion. The order helped secure House passage
of the bill by securing the votes of Mr. Stupak and others. After Mr.
Obama signed it, at 2:34 p.m., the White House released an official
photograph — the only coverage of the event.
White House officials also held a conference call with reporters to
argue for the clear constitutionality of the new health insurance law based on
court precedents, and one called lawsuits being initiated against it by
attorneys general around the country “completely without merit.”
A coffin was placed on a Missouri Democrat’s
lawn, another in a string of incidents against lawmakers after their
vote Sunday on a health care overhaul.
Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) had a coffin placed “near his home,” a
spokesman said Wednesday evening.
The coffin was from a prayer vigil.
This came after Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother’s gas lines were
cut, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) received death threats and Rules
Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) received a message saying
snipers were being deployed to kill children of those who voted for
health care overhaul.
Several other Democrats have had threats leveled against them, prompting
a closed-door briefing of Democratic members by the FBI, Capitol Police
and the House Sergeant at Arms.
“Carnahan appreciates thoughtful feedback received both in favor and
opposition of health insurance reform,” Carnahan spokesman Jim Hubbard
told POLITICO Wednesday evening “We can disagree on important issues
facing our country without resorting to this kind of thing. Russ
Carnahan isn’t going to shy away from the importance of reform when
45,000 fellow Americans died last year due to a lack of health
insurance.”
Top story overnight: The <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed rgb0, 102, 204; cursor: pointer;" ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_2">FBI</span> is currently investigating threats made
against at least 10 members of Congress, <span ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_3">The Associated Press reported</span>.
Windows were shattered at four Democratic offices in New York, Arizona
and <span style="cursor: pointer; : none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_4">Kansas</span>. In
Virginia, someone cut a propane line at a house believed to be owned by <span ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_5">Rep. Tom Perriello</span> (it
was actually his brother's residence). Angry and obscenity-laden
comments have flooded into the offices of lawmakers since the passage of
the <span style="cursor: pointer; : none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_6">health care reform
bill</span>. Some callers have even made <span ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_7">death threats</span> against the lawmakers and their children. While <span style="cursor: pointer; : none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_8">House Republican leader John
Boehner</span> said the "violence and threats are unacceptable," <span style="border-bottom: 1px dashed rgb0, 102, 204; cursor: pointer; : none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_9">Sarah Palin</span>'s <span ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_10">Twitter page</span> encouraged supporters: "Don't retreat, instead - reload!" The former
vice presidential candidate's <span ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_11">Facebook</span> page also featured a <span ="yshortcuts" id="lw_1269520997_12">map</span> of the U.S.
with circles and cross hairs over 20 districts.
TGS - I once got in trouble on the old forum so maybe summarize because you are bordering on spamming so please tone it down some. I am not going to delete but please summarize and leave a link. The word here is redundant.
2. Spam: Spam is defined as irrelevant, wrongly placed, or redundant messages posted for attention in the Forum or sent via PM as unsolicited mail. Spam will be deleted from the forum, and constitutes a violation of use. Posting under multiple user-names by an individual member is also considered as spamming.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
Well then I'll make sure not to spam. I'm merely posting SOURCES for my claims, and I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SHORTEN THE ARTICLES when I can. I ALSO GO THROUGH THE HASSLE OF HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPORTANT PARTS SO AS TO ALLOW USERS TO SKIP THE REST.
I wish everyone posted as much sources to back up their claims as I do.
Well then I'll make sure not to spam. I'm merely posting SOURCES for my claims, and I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SHORTEN THE ARTICLES when I can. I ALSO GO THROUGH THE HASSLE OF HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPORTANT PARTS SO AS TO ALLOW USERS TO SKIP THE REST.I wish everyone posted as much sources to back up their claims as I do.
keep it short and links are always good but it is a bit overwhelming.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
Man rams his car into a car with a 10 year old child in it....all because the car had an Obama bumper sticker:
http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=12208009
In the end, they are destroying their own movement. These are acts of terrorism.
In other news, a condom was sent to a female congresswoman who voted for the bill with a message saying "she was drying f**ked by the Democratic Party".
opuslola I said this to TGS and I will say it to you- please stop the spamming, you are on the edge of it. I talked to Cyrus and in the future I will delete these posts. I have to be fair to both of you so please a summary and a link. Please do not post entire paragraphs. A moderator, on the old site, once gave me the same warning but for now this is unofficial. YOu can debate but no more spamming please.
I posted the definition of spamming for TGS so please look at it.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
Certainly eaglecap, I can tone it down! But, since I am so witty it will be hard not to use "witty" remarks!
However, what about this rule?
"8. Negative attitude; tone of confrontation, annoyance, or contempt; disrespectful toward other members."
Am I also in violation of this? Are others?
Regards,
In your case it was more trolling and not spamming so my apology. Feel free to comment but keep within the rules. I give leeway to things like negative attitude. I am sure I have been guilty of it and as long as no one is attacked personally then I have no problems. For now I am going to only observe posts to get this down better. Except the one on the Pueblo Indians. I really don't want to ban people if I can avoid it whether it is you or TGS. It's slow enough on A&E as it is but if I have to I will. I will not comment on this again so keep up with this thread.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
I found this but only have time to post it but trying to focus on gettng a better idea of moderating.
A quicky:
Speaking of the lack of respect for our Decomcratic process and Constitution. I can understand their frustration beause of this disregard for due process and State Rights. Samuel Adams would have made a great Tea Party member, if you know anyting about him. I wonder how many snobby Brits sat, while drinking their tea, and called him a rabble raising colonial. My ancestors were a tough breed of men and women!
Is there a Constitutional Basis for Mandatory Health Insurance?
SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE NAZI'ISM AND MODERN DAY CONSERVATIVISM/TEA PARTIERS
Lets see the similarities
1. Nazi's were anti-intellectualism (book burnings, historical revisionism, education propaganda, etc...) - Conservatives are anti-intellectualism (historical revisionism, educational propaganda, book burnings, etc...)
2. Nazi's used scape goated people as a threat to the German way of life or Germany values (i.e Jews and other minorities) - Conservatives scape goat "liberals"
3. lack of respect for democracy or the democratic process.
4. Use of violence (brown shirts, now conservatives are attempting to use violence to get what theyw ant)
5. A movement based on racial lines (Tea Partiers/Conservatives are overwhelmingly White, their movement alienates other groups)
SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE NAZI'ISM AND MODERN DAY CONSERVATIVISM/TEA PARTIERS
Lets see the similarities
1. Nazi's were anti-intellectualism (book burnings, historical revisionism, education propaganda, etc...) - Conservatives are anti-intellectualism (historical revisionism, educational propaganda, book burnings, etc...)
2. Nazi's used scape goated people as a threat to the German way of life or Germany values (i.e Jews and other minorities) - Conservatives scape goat "liberals"
3. lack of respect for democracy or the democratic process.
4. Use of violence (brown shirts, now conservatives are attempting to use violence to get what theyw ant)
5. A movement based on racial lines (Tea Partiers/Conservatives are overwhelmingly White, their movement alienates other groups)
Interesting post. Now, lets compare Obama to Maoist or Stalinistic Communism.
1.) Demagouge emphasis on "The people" and "community" destroys the autonomy of the individual and the family. The state becomes the family.
2.) Enemies of the people are created. The definition is fuzzy. Enemies can be class based or religous based. In either case, they are a threat to the "community"
3.) Lack of respect for the democratic process. Those who oppose the leader through well established legislative processes are deemed to be "obstructionist" or "supporting terrorism". Party leadership considers implementing key legislation with out voting on it.
4.) Use of Violence: Mao used the quasi official "Red Guards" to terrorize real and imagined opponents. As they were not fully sponsored, the Red Guards had plausible deniability. Was ACORN an early attempt at "Red Guards"?
5.) A movement based on class lines. Corperations, and by extension, those who work for them are accused of "greed", or "exploiting the people". Wealth should be redistributed to better serve "the people"
SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE NAZI'ISM AND MODERN DAY CONSERVATIVISM/TEA PARTIERSLets see the similarities1. Nazi's were anti-intellectualism (book burnings, historical revisionism, education propaganda, etc...) - Conservatives are anti-intellectualism (historical revisionism, educational propaganda, book burnings, etc...)2. Nazi's used scape goated people as a threat to the German way of life or Germany values (i.e Jews and other minorities) - Conservatives scape goat "liberals"3. lack of respect for democracy or the democratic process.4. Use of violence (brown shirts, now conservatives are attempting to use violence to get what theyw ant)5. A movement based on racial lines (Tea Partiers/Conservatives are overwhelmingly White, their movement alienates other groups)
Interesting post. Now, lets compare Obama to Maoist or Stalinistic Communism.
1.) Demagouge emphasis on "The people" and "community" destroys the autonomy of the individual and the family. The state becomes the family.
2.) Enemies of the people are created. The definition is fuzzy. Enemies can be class based or religous based. In either case, they are a threat tot he "community"
3.) Lack of respect for the democratic process. Those who oppose the leader through well established legislative processes are deemed to be "obstructionist" or "supporting terrorism". Party leadership considers implementing key legislation with out voting on it.
4.) Use of Violence: Mao used the quasi official "Red Guards" to terrorize real and imagined opponents. As they were not fully sponsored, the Red Guards had plausible deniability. Was ACORN an early attempt at "Red Guards"?
5.) A movement based on class lines. Corperations, and by extension, those who work for them are accused of "greed", or "exploiting the people"
5. A movement based on racial lines (Tea Partiers/Conservatives are overwhelmingly White, their movement alienates other groups)
True but it is not a white only organization so quit with the race baiting. Anyone is welcome no matter what their race, religion, or ethic background is.
I have a nice story, if I can locate it, about a black man who was supporting the tea party and was attacked by some Union thugs. The media totally ignored his story and all he was doing was pasing out Don't tread on me flags."
Found it:
Speaking of Brown shirts!
Union Thugs Deliver Unprovoked Beating on Black Conservative at Carnahan Town Hall
Interesting post. Now, lets compare Obama to Maoist or Stalinistic Communism.
Sure thing, lets do it, but you should understand that Maoist and Stalinistic communism are two different forms of communism.
Originally posted by Cryptic
1.) Demagouge emphasis on "The people" and "community" destroys the autonomy of the individual and the family. The state becomes the family.
True, there is an emphasis on the people as a whole and the community and helping your fellow human beings (are you Christian by the way? These are core Christian principles arent they?).
False, Obama has done nothing to erode the family structure.
Originally posted by Cryptic
2.) Enemies of the people are created. The definition is fuzzy. Enemies can be class based or religous based. In either case, they are a threat to the "community"
Which "enemy" has Obama created? If you are referring to terrorists, that is an enemy George Bush created.
Obama has been very careful to promote unity and bipartisanship, and has tried everything he could to bring the nation together but due to the childishness of certain groups of people, unfortunately this has not happened.
Originally posted by Cryptic
3.) Lack of respect for the democratic process. Those who oppose the leader through well established legislative processes are deemed to be "obstructionist" or "supporting terrorism". Party leadership considers implementing key legislation with out voting on it.
Yet nothing was done to impede their use of the democratic process, and everything done by the Obama administration has used the democratic process and rights granted to the executive branch, therefore, comparison invalid.
Originally posted by Cryptic
4.) Use of Violence: Mao used the quasi official "Red Guards" to terrorize real and imagined opponents. As they were not fully sponsored, the Red Guards had plausible deniability. Was ACORN an early attempt at "Red Guards"?
When has the Obama administration used violence to get what it wanted?
BTW, ACORN keeps getting falsely accused of wrong doing, and every time it is found innocent. Also, ACORN has nothing to do with the Obama administration.
Originally posted by Cryptic
5.) A movement based on class lines. Corperations, and by extension, those who work for them are accused of "greed", or "exploiting the people". Wealth should be redistributed to better serve "the people"
If by class lines you mean the poor and the middle class against the rich, in that the rich pay more taxes than the poor and middle class, than yes.
Originally posted by eaglecap
5. A movement based on racial lines (Tea
Partiers/Conservatives are overwhelmingly White, their movement
alienates other groups)
True but it is not a white only organization so quit with the race
baiting. Anyone is welcome no matter what their race, religion, or
ethic background is.
I'm sure anyone is welcome, as long as they arent black, brown, asian, or an immigrant.
Originally posted by eaglecap
I have a nice story, if I can locate it, about a black man who was
supporting the tea party and was attacked by some Union thugs. The media
totally ignored his story and all he was doing was pasing out Don't
tread on me flags."
Found it:
Speaking of Brown shirts!
Union Thugs Deliver Unprovoked Beating on Black Conservative
at Carnahan Town Hall
Interesting post. Now, lets compare Obama to Maoist or Stalinistic Communism.
Sure thing, lets do it, but you should understand that Maoist and Stalinistic communism are two different forms of communism...
At core levels, Maoism and Stalinism were very similar (all powerful leftist state destroys individual freedom and autonomy, cult of personality created, free market is outlawed, religon and traditional culture is outlawed etc. etc.)
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
True, there is an emphasis on the people as a whole and the community and helping your fellow human beings (are you Christian by the way? These are core Christian principles arent they?).
Sure, and Mao and Stalin wanted to help their fellow human beings as well. I also want to help my fellow human beings but am against the current health reform. Does that make me anti christian as well?
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba
If by class lines you mean the poor and the middle class against the rich, in that the rich pay more taxes than the poor and middle class, than yes.
Too bad "rich and "middle class" are very difficult to define. The rich also created the prosperity that we all enjoy. Of course class warfare ignores this.
As for the rest of my points, they are no more and no less valid than your conservative comparison.
Interesting post. Now, lets compare Obama to Maoist or Stalinistic Communism.
Sure thing, lets do it, but you should understand that Maoist and Stalinistic communism are two different forms of communism.
Originally posted by Cryptic
1.) Demagouge emphasis on "The people" and "community" destroys the autonomy of the individual and the family. The state becomes the family.
True, there is an emphasis on the people as a whole and the community and helping your fellow human beings (are you Christian by the way? These are core Christian principles arent they?).False, Obama has done nothing to erode the family structure.
Originally posted by Cryptic
2.) Enemies of the people are created. The definition is fuzzy. Enemies can be class based or religous based. In either case, they are a threat to the "community"
Which "enemy" has Obama created? If you are referring to terrorists, that is an enemy George Bush created.Obama has been very careful to promote unity and bipartisanship, and has tried everything he could to bring the nation together but due to the childishness of certain groups of people, unfortunately this has not happened.
Originally posted by Cryptic
3.) Lack of respect for the democratic process. Those who oppose the leader through well established legislative processes are deemed to be "obstructionist" or "supporting terrorism". Party leadership considers implementing key legislation with out voting on it.
Yet nothing was done to impede their use of the democratic process, and everything done by the Obama administration has used the democratic process and rights granted to the executive branch, therefore, comparison invalid.
Originally posted by Cryptic
4.) Use of Violence: Mao used the quasi official "Red Guards" to terrorize real and imagined opponents. As they were not fully sponsored, the Red Guards had plausible deniability. Was ACORN an early attempt at "Red Guards"?
When has the Obama administration used violence to get what it wanted?BTW, ACORN keeps getting falsely accused of wrong doing, and every time it is found innocent. Also, ACORN has nothing to do with the Obama administration.
Originally posted by Cryptic
5.) A movement based on class lines. Corperations, and by extension, those who work for them are accused of "greed", or "exploiting the people". Wealth should be redistributed to better serve "the people"
If by class lines you mean the poor and the middle class against the rich, in that the rich pay more taxes than the poor and middle class, than yes.
Originally posted by eaglecap
5. A movement based on racial lines (Tea
Partiers/Conservatives are overwhelmingly White, their movement
alienates other groups)
True but it is not a white only organization so quit with the race
baiting. Anyone is welcome no matter what their race, religion, or
ethic background is.
I'm sure anyone is welcome, as long as they arent black, brown, asian, or an immigrant.
Originally posted by eaglecap
I have a nice story, if I can locate it, about a black man who was
supporting the tea party and was attacked by some Union thugs. The media
totally ignored his story and all he was doing was pasing out Don't
tread on me flags."
Found it:
Speaking of Brown shirts!
Union Thugs Deliver Unprovoked Beating on Black Conservative
at Carnahan Town Hall
We already had the talk about token minorities in the Conservative movement, I just saw one of Fox News 30 minutes ago.
sounds like you are basing this on your own bias but try adressing the article I posted. I am sure there are some racist tea party members but don't stereo type all of them. There will always be a few bad apples in the barrel.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
sounds like you are basing this on your own bias but try adressing the article I posted. I am sure there are some racist tea party members but don't stereo type all of them. There will always be a few bad apples in the barrel.
Well its always the few that ruin it for the many isnt it? If they do not condone such acts, then they should come out and say it, they should tell their supporters to stop committing violence, stop encouraging violence, and to stop with the racism.
NO ONE IS TELLING THEM TO STOP, IN FACT, THEY ARE BEING ENCOURAGED.
So until these the movement actually does something to stop such things, then the whole movement is responsible.
And regarding your article, its an e-mail, which is not verifiable but I have seen the video of the man getting attacked by the SEIU.
Just who, in the mass media of conservative thought, is encouraging people to violence? Beck constantly pleas for "non-violence!", as well as no name calling, etc., and uses examples like M. L. King and Ghandi!
It seems that the only person yet arrested for threating a member of the congress, is some Obama supporter! He reportedly has made hundreds of posts to "YouTube!"
I am sure you can find out much more on the Schnittshow.com!
Your constant use of the word only be-littles your self and shows your weak position in the above discourses!
But, I must give you kudos for your tenacity! Bravo!
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