Topic: US presidential elections, Donald Trump Posted: 03-May-2016 at 07:38
As the previous thread was highjacked, lets continue here the discussion about US elections and the black horse of elections - Donald Trump.
Recently I have found quite and interesting article:
“A NATION'S GREATNESS DEPENDS ON ITS LEADER
To vastly improve your country and truly make it great again, start by choosing a better leader. Do not let the media or the establishment make you pick from the people they choose, but instead choose from those they do not pick. Pick a leader from among the people who is heart-driven, one who identifies with the common man on the street and understands what the country needs on every level. Do not pick a leader who is only money-driven and does not understand or identify with the common man, but only what corporations need on every level.
Pick a peacemaker. One who unites, not divides. A cultured leader who supports the arts and true freedom of speech, not censorship. Pick a leader who will not only bail out banks and airlines, but also families from losing their homes -- or jobs due to their companies moving to other countries. Pick a leader who will fund schools, not limit spending on education and allow libraries to close. Pick a leader who chooses diplomacy over war. An honest broker in foreign relations. A leader with integrity, one who says what they mean, keeps their word and does not lie to their people. Pick a leader who is strong and confident, yet humble. Intelligent, but not sly. A leader who encourages diversity, not racism. One who understands the needs of the farmer, the teacher, the doctor, and the environmentalist -- not only the banker, the oil tycoon, the weapons developer, or the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyist.
Pick a leader who will keep jobs in your country by offering companies incentives to hire only within their borders, not one who allows corporations to outsource jobs for cheaper labor when there is a national employment crisis. Choose a leader who will invest in building bridges, not walls. Books, not weapons. Morality, not corruption. Intellectualism and wisdom, not ignorance. Stability, not fear and terror. Peace, not chaos. Love, not hate. Convergence, not segregation. Tolerance, not discrimination. Fairness, not hypocrisy. Substance, not superficiality. Character, not immaturity. Transparency, not secrecy. Justice, not lawlessness. Environmental improvement and preservation, not destruction. Truth, not lies.
Most importantly, a great leader must serve the best interests of the people first, not those of multinational corporations. Human life should never be sacrificed for monetary profit. There are no exceptions. In addition, a leader should always be open to criticism, not silencing dissent. Any leader who does not tolerate criticism from the public is afraid of their dirty hands to be revealed under heavy light. And such a leader is dangerous, because they only feel secure in the darkness. Only a leader who is free from corruption welcomes scrutiny; for scrutiny allows a good leader to be an even greater leader.
And lastly, pick a leader who will make their citizens proud. One who will stir the hearts of the people, so that the sons and daughters of a given nation strive to emulate their leader's greatness. Only then will a nation be truly great, when a leader inspires and produces citizens worthy of becoming future leaders, honorable decision makers and peacemakers. And in these times, a great leader must be extremely brave. Their leadership must be steered only by their conscience, not a bribe.”
― Suzy Kassem, Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem
"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
by the way Hitler's words about the nation were the same!Very ignorant person among the rest is this Trump.In the time of mobile phones and online libraries ?!?What does vanity makes to people!?!
Do you realise that not everything what Hitler was saying or doing was bad or evil? However it always becomes favourite leftist argument to compare someone with Hitler and to discredit such person in this way, instead of discussing.
For example Hitler was protecting animals and creating national parks. Will we stop doing it because Hitler was doing it? Will we stop building motorways because Hitler was building motorways?
Edited by Mosquito - 04-May-2016 at 08:39
"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
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This (below) was an email i received some time ago on Trump. Several things seem to confirm my suspcious and/or are disagreeable to me including: - blond/German/kkk links - pope/"Christian"/bible/harlot (& French / Scottish) links (& word "quintessential"?) (Romney?) (- mobsters link.) - 3 times married; "likes" the women alot. - Businessman / rich / real estate agent - eastern bloc connections? - Israel/Jewish links. - numerology/dates ("70 yrs", 1946, 1999, 1966) - party hopper/changer. - casinos. - bankruptcy that effected others. - no open stance against water fluoridation that i know of? - immigrants. (No that doesn't mean i like Clinton/Dems. I don't like either of them.)
Fwd: Mr. Trump stats....interesting info. 21 May 2016 at 14:34
[start quote] " Specifications:
* Donald John Trump, was born June 14, 1946. * He will be 70 years old on election day. * From the Internet, he is 6'2" or 6'3' and weighs between 195 and 200 lbs. * He has a full head of blond/brown hair (which is long and elaborately combed) and blue eyes. * The Internet tells us he wears a size 12 shoe. * Donald Trump was born the fourth of five children who were born over eleven years. * The oldest, Mary Ann, was born in 1937 and is currently a Federal Judge. * His older brother, Fred Jr, died in early adulthood as a result of complications from alcoholism. * He has another older sister, Elizabeth and a younger brother, Robert. * Donald Trump has been married three times. * Trump's first wife, Ivana, was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia and a divorcee who has been married 4 times in her life. She is a lifelong avid skier and worked in design at the Trump Organization. * Marla Maples, Trump's second wife is an actress and model * Trump's third wife, Melania is an immigrant from Slovenia (born in Yugoslavia) and has been a super model. * Two of Trump's children, Donald Jr and Ivanka, have gone to Penn.
Son Eric, went to Georgetown. * Donald Trump tells us that he is Presbyterian. * Donald Trump does not appear to have had any interest in occults, mysticism or exotic mythologies. * Donald Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, and her three children are Jewish. * Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, is married to Jared Kushner who is, among other things, a newspaper publisher. The Kushner family is very successful in New York City area real estate. * Donald's grandmother, mother, first wife, and third wife are all immigrants. * Donald Trump was born and raised in Queens NY * Though his family was very wealthy, Trump's boyhood home in the Jamaica Estates section of Queens was not a grand mansion. The Trump home was a larger version of the homes Fred Trump was building for his tenants. * There are no indications that the Trump family lived among the wealthy elites on vacations or country clubs. * Queens is the largest of New York's five boroughs and the most ethnically diverse. * Trump attended a local private day school, the Kew Forrest School, in Queens until about 8th grade. * His secondary schooling was at New York Military Academy which is about 60 miles north of NYC in Cornwall on the Hudson. He was the class of 1964. * Trump was never a "Preppie". * Trump never embraced any aspect of the "Hippie" movement of the time. * Trump was a very good high school athlete - football, soccer, and especially baseball. He had potential to become a professional baseball player. * Even in high school - Trump liked women and women liked him * Trump was generally popular in high school. * Trump's boarding school room mate liked him. * He attended Fordham University in NYC for two years and transferred to the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business. * At that time, the Wharton School offered a rare program for Real Estate Business. * Though he was of age, Donald Trump did not serve in Vietnam. * He was not drafted due to bone spurs in his heels (4F) and also student deferments. * Ultimately, in the draft lottery, he drew a high number. * By all we know, Donald Trump does not smoke, drink or use recreational drugs. He'll be the first President in more than 25 years who hasn't smoked weed. * BTW: Trump's children don't smoke or drink * Trump makes it well known that he enjoys sexual interaction with women. * I am unaware that Donald Trump is a recreational gambler. * His doctor publicly announced Donald to be in excellent health.
I think that to really know Donald Trump, you must know his family background. The Trump family story is a very American story.
Trump family history - concise version. * Donald Trump's grandparents immigrated to the U.S. from Alsace (Kallstadt, Germany) which throughout history has been alternately French and German. The Trumps are German, originally speaking the same German dialect as the Amish of Lancaster County, PA. * His maternal grandparents lived in Scotland. * Freiderich (Drumph) Trump made a small but respectable fortune in the late 19th Century in the mining boom towns of the American Northwest. * He returned to Germany to marry his childhood neighbor, Elizabeth Christ. * The newly married Trumps resettled in the Borough of Queens NY * Freidrich was establishing a Real Estate business in Queens when he died suddenly at age 49 (1918). * In 1920, at the age of 15, Fred Trump (Freiderich's son and Donald's father), started a business partnership with his widowed mother called Elizabeth Trump & Son. * This business was built upon the real estate holdings that his father, Frederich, had amassed (worth about $500,000.00 in today's dollars). This is the original "seed money" of the current Trump Organization. * Elizabeth & Fred remained close business partners her entire life (she died in 1966). * In 1936 Fred Trump (age 31) married Mary Ann MacLeod (age 24) of Stoneaway Scotland. * During the depression, Fred Trump built and successfully operated a supermarket (a new concept at the time) which was sold to King Kullen Co. and operates this day. * Fred Trump made a lot of money building housing for the military during WWII. * Fred Trump was investigated by the Justice Department for making "excessive profits" from government contracts. * All (or nearly all) of the building of Elizabeth Trump & Son's non-government building was residential property in Queens. * Fred Trump died in 1999 (age 94) - beloved and worth between $250 million and $300 million. His wife died a year later.
"The Donald's" career Donald Trump is the greatest career achiever of the "baby boomer" generation. Donald Trump has reached the zenith in his careers as book author, TV entertainer, sports entertainer, Real Estate developer, and currently politician. * Donald Trump has authored more than 18 books. At least one of them, The Art of the Deal was a top seller. * Donald says that the Holy Bible is his favorite book. The Art of the Deal is his 2nd favorite book. And The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale is his third favorite book. * He likes golf. Donald Trump has developed more than 11 golf courses which bear his name. * Donald Trump has twice been nominated for an Emmy Award * Donald Trump has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. * Donald Trump has been inducted to the Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame. * Donald Trump has appeared in more than a dozen movies such as Home Alone 2, Zoolander, and Little Rascals * Donald Trump has been a guest actor in more than 6 TV shows such as Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Days of Our Lives, Sex and the City, and others. * Trump has been the Executive Producer of 7 TV shows. * Trump has been the guest host of 5 TV shows such as Extra, Larry King Live, and Saturday Night Live and more. * Donald Trump has been co-producer of the longest running reality TV show. * Donald Trump performed in several WWE wrestling shows. * Donald performed in Wrestlemania 23 which set attendance records and revenue records up til that time. * In his first candidacy for public office, Donald Trump received the most popular votes for the President of the United States out of a field of experienced and successful politicians. And in most cases, he achieved this with less money than any of his opponents. Keeping in mind that 90% of start up businesses fail, Trump's record of enterprise is nothing short of amazing.
Donald Trump has enjoyed success in at least 11 very different enterprises: Professional football, Ice Skating rinks, Fragrance, Ice, Steaks, Wines, Model management, Airline, blenders, Men's wear, Bicycle races, world class beauty contests, and many others. In some of these, such as model management, his firm has risen to the top of that particular industry. * There are 31 buildings that bear his name. * The largest private real estate development in New York is Trump Riverside. Drive down the Henry Hudson Blvd. - you can't miss them. * There are at least 12 Trump Towers * There are at least 6 Trump Plazas. * There are at least 11 Trump Golf Course developments * And much, much, more in real estate. * Trump Entertainment, casinos and resorts was recently sold to Carl Ichan. * Donald Trump's personal managing of the Wollman Ice Skating Rink project in the early 1980's is the quintessential case study for MBA students in Wharton, Harvard, and other business schools. His performance there was phenomenal. * Donald Trump's privately held businesses have employed more than 200,000 people. * In the casino business in Atlantic City, Trump had to do business with known mobsters - and he stayed "clean" and alive. * Aside from his personal investments, Donald Trump has never been a Wall Street "player".
The Political Trump: about 1967 - 1987 - Democrat (he was a supporter of Ronald Reagan) 1987 - 1999 - Republican 1999 - 2001 - Reform Party (he supported Ross Perot) 2001 - 2009 - Democrat 2009 - 2011 - Republican 2011 - 2012 - Independent 2012 - Present - Republican
Donald Trump was openly supportive of Mitt Romney's candidacy. Donald Trump does not seem to hold political party organizations in high regard. For the most part, his political involvement has been for practical reasons. Donald Trump does not appear to be held to political ideology.
Some of my take aways: * Trump has an extraordinarily energetic central nervous system much like Teddy Roosevelt but more targeted to industry and enterprise. * Trump's presidency will be very energetic, transparent, and communicative. * Trump will be a very hard working President. * His interaction with his older brother (who everybody loved) tells me that he thinks that everybody is like him - or wants to be - or should be. * His relationship with his older brother was a hard lesson in tolerance for him. * Trump is the Babe Ruth of career achievements. * He is dumb like a fox. When you think he just said something stupid - he didn't. It's just that you were not his target audience. * Trump knows the people - the folk. * His son, Donald Jr. is right. Trump is a "Blue Collar Billionaire". * More than anything, his TV show, The Apprentice, was his passion. He wants all Americans to have confidence (like he does) to venture. * Donald Trump is attracted to and marries smart, high achieving women. * The highest levels of a Trump Administration is certain to have many women - and they will be bright and assertive. * Donald Trump's children are very important to him. And it shows. " [end quote]
A GOP senator described Trump as a "malignant Clown" and withdrew his support.
At least 100 top Republicans are calling for him to step aside and allow Mike Pence to become the GOP candidate.
As for me, DJT is a fraud and an ego driven empty suit. His dealings in Atlantic city alone, left many people destroyed.
None of his casinos have survived. A fact he sometimes seems to be proud of.
A billionaire, he hasn't paid any taxes in 18 years and actually stated he's proud of that.
He is unfit to be President of the US. He's unfit to have the Nuclear launch codes.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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Mike Pence is bad & pro-Rome too.
Mike Pence: religion "Evangelical Catholic". His family were Irish Catholic Democrats. "When asked if he believes in evolution, Pence answered "I believe with all my heart that God created the heavens and the earth, the seas and all that’s in them." "Pence was raised in a Catholic family, serving as an altar boy and attending parochial school. Pence became a born-again Christian in college, while a member of a nondenominational Christian student group in college, identifying his freshman year—and specifically "a Christian music festival in Asbury, Ky., in the spring of 1978"—as the moment he made a "commitment to Christ." After that point, however, Pence continued to attend Mass (where he met his wife) and worked as a Catholic youth minister. Pence called himself Catholic in a 1994 news piece, although by 1995, Pence and his family had joined an evangelical megachurch, the Grace Evangelical Church. In 2013, Pence said that his family was "kind of looking for a church." Pence has described himself as "a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order," and as "a born-again, evangelical Catholic."" "During the 1990 campaign, Pence ran an ad in which an actor, dressed in a robe and headdress and speaking in a thick Middle Eastern accent, thanked his opponent for doing nothing to wean the United States off imported oil as chairman of a House subcommittee on energy and power. In response to criticism, Pence's campaign responded that the ad was not about Arabs" "In regards to adopting the gold standard, Pence stated in 2011, "the time has come to have a debate over gold and the proper role it should play in our nation’s monetary affairs". Pence proposed legislation to end the dual mandate of the Federal Reserve...." "Pence has stated his support of Israel and its right to attack facilities in Iran to prevent them from developing nuclear weapons, has defended the actions of Israel in its use of deadly force in enforcing the blockade of Gaza, and has referred to Israel as "America's most cherished ally". He visited Israel in 2014 to express his support, and in 2016 signed into law a bill which would ban Indiana from having any commercial dealings with a company that boycotts Israel." "Pence seen as strong pro-Israel voice". The Times of Israel. "Pence "has been a longtime, aggressive advocate of trade deals" between the U.S. and foreign countries." "Pence voted ... in favor of keeping the U.S. in the World Trade Organization; and in favor of permanent normal trade relations with China." "Pence's strong stance in favor of free trade sharply differs from the stance of his running mate Trump, who has condemned globalization and the liberalization of trade. Pence voted against the Trade and Globalization Act of 2007, which would have expanded trade adjustment assistance to American workers adversely affected by globalization." "In 2014, Pence called for the "swift adoption" of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), urging Indiana's congressional delegation to support the trade deal."
Only thing all US presidential candidates 2016 have in common is Rome connection(s) (and no stance against water fluoridation). http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36505 David Duke : "Catholics encouraged to apply for [kkk] membership".
It is not what they believe but what they do=did and say=said!THIS is 1000 x Circus!Just take remote control and change the program.Period.Bad dream i hope.
It is not what they believe but what they do=did and say=said!THIS is 1000 x Circus!Just take remote control and change the program.Period.Bad dream i hope.
We all hope it's a bad dream. I've never seen such BS in an election as this one. Both sides are guilty of some twisting but Trump and his PACS are just flat out fabricating, lying. It's the dirtiest campaign ever.
And Trump just continues to display how unfit he is for the office of POTUS.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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Its definately the choise between bad candidate and bad candidate. Because corrupt Hilary is maybe even worse than DJT.
Too bad, you drank Trumps Koolaide.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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You need to go to an independent fact check site and Bill Clinton isn't running, she is.
But that aside, Trump refuses to release his tax statements. They would reveal his crooked dealings.
It's well known that real estate deals and development in NYC doesn't happen unless your working with organized crime.
Another matter, Trump has shown by his actions that he's morally reprehensible, sexist and racist.
Your buying into his attempts to make Clinton look worse than he is. To the majority of voters, including the top republicans, it's not working.
The only reason you think he's great is his anti Islamic and anti immigrant stand.
Most of his proposals are unconstitutional and wouldn't make it through the courts.
What has the Republican party in a panic is the very real possibility that they will lose control of the Congress.
There is a general call from the GOP for him to step aside and let Mike Pence take his place.
He has even stated he'd withdraw from NATO, and openly admires Putin, thinks he's "a great guy".
That should worry you much more than Hillary.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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Poland spend 2% of GDP for its military. Thats what Trump expects from all NATO countries. I think that he already has won most of votes of 10 millions of Polish Americans.
Guliani and Trump recently met with Polish-American Congress:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV29MuEm3xo
Edited by Mosquito - 12-Oct-2016 at 17:11
"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
You need to go to an independent fact check site and Bill Clinton isn't running, she is.
I belive the Clintons got only one pocket.
Originally posted by red clay
But that aside, Trump refuses to release his tax statements. They would reveal his crooked dealings.
It's well known that real estate deals and development in NYC doesn't happen unless your working with organized crime.
So far I know there are no criminal charges against him.
Originally posted by red clay
Another matter, Trump has shown by his actions that he's morally reprehensible, sexist and racist.
By his actions he didnt show much. Only by his tongue. He talk a lot and most of his words he says in private are stupid. Thats a fact.
Originally posted by red clay
Your buying into his attempts to make Clinton look worse than he is.
I dont buy anything. I only say the Clintons including Hilary are not clean. They are sponsored by great corporations and foreign goverments.
Originally posted by red clay
The only reason you think he's great is his anti Islamic and anti immigrant stand.
I dont think he is great. I never did. As for his anti-immigrant and anti-islamic vievs I dont really care because it doesnt affect my own country. Its completely american problem if there will be coming muslim immigrants to USA.
Originally posted by red clay
He has even stated he'd withdraw from NATO, and openly admires Putin, thinks he's "a great guy".
That should worry you much more than Hillary.
It doesnt worry me at all. We dont have really any territorial disputes with Russia. And they are far from being able to attack and occupy us.
Americans arent anymore in position to guarantee our safety. China is a new rising power and they will soon replace USA in its role of superpower. Whats more it looks like the presence of US troops might be even dangerous for internal safety. Recently we saw USA supporting coup in Turkey, the siege of American base in Incirlik by Turkish army and evacuation of nuclear weapons from the base to Romania. This combined with the failed wars in Iraq and Afganistan did really damage US prestige in the world.
"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche
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