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Topic: Marine Archaeosurvey uncovers ancient civilization Posted: 07-Oct-2010 at 07:49 |
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Posted: 20-Nov-2010 at 13:59 |
this turned out to be fake, only 1000 year old city
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Posted: 20-Nov-2010 at 15:54 |
"this turned out to be fake, only 1000 year old city"
Balochii, just what are your sources to back up your statement?
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Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 10:06 |
Originally posted by balochii
this turned out to be fake, only 1000 year old city |
Fake? No, as a matter of fact it's not the only site that's been found. The last dating I heard was 9,000 bce. And considering that the site in Cambay is now thought to be Dwarka, it might go 2-3 thousand years older.
Balochii, you need to do at least a quick check on things like this. Your missing out on some major discoveries. If your ignoring them because of the Hindu connection, that's rediculous.
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Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 12:24 |
dude i was watching this on a documentary, it turns out this site was only a trading city with the middle east some 1000 years ago. just go search on google
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Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 13:44 |
around my living area, settlements are at least 5-10m above roman period structures...layer over layer concept of building was always ,simpliest way of building, everywhere in world...nobody deny that last layer dating 1000 years before today...I was always impressed about high population of India...religions and living philosophy concepts...
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Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 18:18 |
Why are we having this discussion without any real sources being reported? Where are the reports of scientists and marine archaeologists etc.?
Certainly some discovery as important as this is reported to be has some site(s) that we can actually view or read?
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 02:24 |
The report which is the origimn of this topic itself is prepared by Badrinaryan Badrinaryan who is the Chief Geologist with scientific team from national Institute of Ocean Technology responsible for underwater survey s in Gulf of Cambay. It was posted with photographs on Official Graham Hancock site
And also on Archaelogy online site
And report in wikipedia has never called it fake,but has shown controversies in which some scholars has challenged the methodology followed in finding and dating the artifacts and also that the pottery style is different from that of Harappans ,so they have argued against the claim that this Civilization is the precursor of Harappan civilization.
But none has called it fake.
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 02:38 |
A magazine report about the discovery in Gulf of Cambay
Excerpts from a study report on the effects of sealevel fluctuations on Human settlements at Gulf of Cambay
BBC News report on gulf of cambay
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 02:48 |
Tony Smith's website about Human Civiloizations has posted details of Cambay(in red) discovery too in his site
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/oldciv.html
INDUS-GANGES:
Here we find a record
of the Early Human Civilization of 11,600 to 6,000 years ago:
the Rig-Veda.
Although current written versions of the Rig-Veda are
written in Sanskrit or later languages, the earlier
versions were transmitted orally.
Perhaps the first versions were in the Global Early Language,
or its earliest variant in the Indian region,
the Sarasvati-Sindhu language.
As Feuerstein, Kak, and Frawley have noted in their book
In Search of the Cradle of Civilization (Quest 1995),
the Rig-Veda mentions star patterns of 9,000 to 8,000 years ago,
so the Rig-Veda is of that age. According to a 22 May 2001 BBC article by Rajyasri Rao: "... Marine experts have discovered a clump of archaeological structures deep beneath the sea off India's western coast. ... The group was routinely investigating the Gulf of Cambay to monitor pollution levels, using devices able to penetrate at least 10 metres deep beneath the sea bed ... The Gulf of Cambay is one of the largest tidal areas in the world - with a current of very high velocity ... they first noticed the huge structures while examining acoustic images collected from under the sea bed ... the structures are said to resemble archeological sites belonging to the Harappan civilisation ... a series of well-defined geometric formations were clearly seen, spread irregularly across a nine-kilometre (five-mile) stretch, a little beneath the sea bed. Some of them closely resemble an acropolis - or great bath - known to be characteristic of the Harappan civilisation. ...". According to a 19 January 2002 BBC article by Tom Housden: "... Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old. The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years. ... Using sidescan sonar - which sends a beam of sound waves down to the bottom of the ocean they identified huge geometrical structures at a depth of 120ft. Debris recovered from the site - including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture and human bones and teeth has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old. ... The city is believed to be even older than the ancient Harappan civilisation, which dates back around 4,000 years. Marine archaeologists have used a technique known as sub-bottom profiling to show that the buildings remains stand on enormous foundations. ... It is believed that the area was submerged as ice caps melted at the end of the last ice age 9-10,000 years ago ...". The book by Feuerstein, Kak, and Frawley is the main source
for most of the rest of this section: Perhaps about 6,000 years ago, the Sarasvati River dried up, and the Indus-Sarasvati region (with Indra as principal god) declines. Then, the Ganges region (withShiva and Ganesha as principal gods) became dominant. The ancient course of the Sarasvati River is described on a web page with a satellite image of the Indus-Sarasvati area a chart of the ancient river courses and details of the courses near the Sarasvati River mouth. During a Maha Kumbh Mela, on 26 January 2001, a 7.9 magnitude Earthquake hit India at the mouth of the Sarasvati. The Rig-Veda has about 250 hymns to Indra.
Indra's Net is a net with a jewel at each intersection,
each jewel reflecting all the other jewels of the net.
Indra's Net is a symbol of the internet,
and can symbolize other interconnected systems,
even Many-Worlds of lattice spacetime.
As the being whose thunderbolts reveal the light of the sun
and release waters to flow to the ocean,
Indra could symbolize the Vela X supernova.
The Rig-Veda has about 100 hymns to Soma,
who has the nectar of immortality, also called soma.
The soma nectar is used to stimulate visions.
As it is produced by pressing and filtering the soma plant,
so the Rig-Veda describes the yoga practice of
purification of the mind by three filters,
so that higher-level truth can be perceived.
About one-fourth of the verses in the Rig-Veda
are in the gayatri meter:
3 sections of 8 syllables each;
the first 4 syllables free and the last 4 in fixed cadence.
To me - with respect to physics -
each of the 3 sections represents
one of the three 8-dimensional representations of Spin(8),
and the fixing of the last 4 syllables
of the section representing 8-dimensional spacetime
represents dimensional reduction to 4-dimensional spacetime.
In that way,
I see the music of the Rig-Veda reflecting fundamental physics.
The gayatri meter is named from the mantra:
tat savitur varenyam,
bhargo devasya dhimahi,
dhiyo yo nah pracodayat.
(English:
Behold the beautiful splendor of Savitri -
the Sun-God of the swastika -
to inspire our visions.)
As to whether all these things originated in the Indus-Ganges
region, or whether some were brought in by contact with
other regions of the Early Human Civilization, I do not know.
However, there are a some interesting similarities, such as:
Egyptians used both binary and decimal mathematics.
The Indus-Ganges region used both
a binary system of weights
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, ... units (unit = 0.85 gram),
and
a decimal system of length measure (unit = 0.264 inches),
as well as
a second system of length based on Egyptian cubits.
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 03:01 |
Other magazine article excerpts about the Civilization of Gulf of Cambay
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 03:05 |
And about the correctness and reliability of Carbon-14 dating
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 03:08 |
Morien institute website about underwater civilizations including Gulf of Cambay
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Posted: 23-Nov-2010 at 03:11 |
About Under water cities
Jaopanese underwater pyramids Cleoptra's palace in Alexandria(Egypt) Gulf of Cambay
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Posted: 02-Dec-2010 at 06:00 |
Using Glenn Milne's sea-level model to estimate the age of the sunken cities of Cambay
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Posted: 02-Dec-2010 at 06:02 |
Marine archaeology in the Gulf of Cambay
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