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DayI
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Topic: Do you believe that Turkey will enter EU Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 10:24 |
Originally posted by konstantinius
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It is very normal for Turkey to protect his interests by all his means.
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Absolutely. No one denies Turkey this right. Agression in the area and the threat of war against all your neighbors is a different thing.
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That go's to the same category, to protect your interest you must be able to take any possible risc's to anyone. And Greece or any other country has absolutely the right to complain about, if they go further they know for what they go for.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 10:38 |
I voted for never. In my opinion:
Can Turkey enter EU? (Yes, she will be able to meet all the requirements, it's just a matter of time. )
Will Turkey enter EU? (No, she will refuse to enter EU, It is now the process what she needs, not the result.)
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Jagatai Khan
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 11:16 |
Originally posted by perikles
Talat? now who is kiding? Talat was the right hand of Denktas. For years working in Turkish inteligence. Now I don't think anybody here to believe that the illegal turkish occupation in nothern Cyprus (According to UN) is being govern by politicians. Everybody in illegal government are ex soldiers and agents. But anyway. The examples of the friendly behaviour of the citizens and the government of the republic of cuprus (the fascists as you called) are many.Tell us one good thing that The oposite site made(the democratics) ?
Anyway in order for the Turkey to be member of EU OUGHT TO respect the international laws, treats and respect their neighbors. I won't refer to human rights and to minorities. So behave and you are welcome to modern civilized Europe.
ps. One question. How come a democratic country like Turkey wants to join a union that is full of fascist countries like Greece, Cyprus, France, Austria etc(according to you of course)
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-Talat is not the right hand of Denktas.Erdogan-Talat couple is always against Denktas, and they did everything they can do about Cyprus.They are on the limit they can do What did EU do?Annan's plan would be the start of relations between two country.We accepted, you refused it.But I don't know what we gained with it.Talat is a man hoped everything would develop with his friendly policies, but he failed.
ps. One question. How come a democratic country like Turkey wants to
join a union that is full of fascist countries like Greece, Cyprus,
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Yes, the ones insist on our democracy decides to punish people because of unconfirmed historical events, what an irony.
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perikles
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 11:28 |
Because Cypru rejected the plan (was from UN and not EU) that does not mean that they don't want the solution. You accepted because it was for your interest. If the plan said Turkish army and Turks resident abandon the island would you accepted? And there are two decitions of UN that declare the occupation illegal. And you must abandon the island. Did you accepted it? NO of course. So leave that crap about Anan plan. It was written by your allies USA and UK. Not UN.
Talat was opposed to Denktas? lol
and Talat is following peacefull politic? propably I am leaving in a different planet. Because I always thought the threat of war not peace. Thats new.
I am not sure that i understand your last sentence. can you explain.
Stop threaten your neigbors with war and stopviolating your neigbors borders (yesterday 12 dogfights took place in Aegean, over the island of Amorgos. All the turkish aircrafts were sent back by the HAF)
and then you are welcome to EU.
ps. γηράσκω αει διδασκόμενος. Meaning that I become older and still learning new things.
Edited by perikles - 06-Feb-2007 at 11:29
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 14:50 |
Originally posted by DayI
Originally posted by konstantinius
Originally posted by DayI
It is very normal for Turkey to protect his interests by all his means.
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Absolutely. No one denies Turkey this right. Agression in the area and the threat of war against all your neighbors is a different thing.
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That go's to the same category, to protect your interest you must be able to take any possible risc's to anyone.
And Greece or any other country has absolutely the right to complain about, if they go further they know for what they go for.
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I would expecting something more constructive from the Turkish elite but now i can understand why the Turkish edition of Mein Kampf was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in March 2005.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 15:26 |
Yeh and reading your comment's I can see why you have a "Burn the Jew" traditional festival.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
Perikles
Because Cypru rejected the plan (was from UN and not EU) that does not mean that they don't want the solution. You accepted because it was for your interest.
Excuses, excuses, excuses, the Turkish side had much more to loose. We all know what happened last time Cyprus became a unified state, Eoka, Enosis, Akritas wipe the Turk out plans, Junta's, anarchy etc etc
There was a plan of unification and today there isn't, the ball's in Greek Cyprus' court. Papadopolous is screwing up, there will be two states and it will be thanks to him.
And there are two decitions of UN that declare the occupation illegal. And you must abandon the island. Did you accepted it? NO of course. So leave that crap about Anan plan. It was written by your allies USA and UK. Not UN.
Wake up man.
Greek Cyprus rejected the UN plan, if they had accepted it there would be no TRNC today but a unified Cyprus and Turkey would have lost her guaranteur right so they could have carried out their enosis without fear of intervention.
and Talat is following peacefull politic? propably I am leaving in a different planet.
I think you are
Because I always thought the threat of war not peace.
Yep you are on another planet.
Edited by Bulldog - 06-Feb-2007 at 15:32
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 15:53 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Yeh and reading your comment's I can see why you have a "Burn the Jew" traditional festival.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. |
Can you give some more information (and sources) about this "tradition"? Other wise is very cheap propaganda that you cannot prove it (as usual). If somebody is a fascist (Greek Turk or ever) is becoming for other reasons not because of these "traditions".
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 15:56 |
Its just as cheap as labelling 70-80 million people because 40,000 read a book, plus reading Mein Keimph doesn't make you a racist, infact reading it helps you understand what a sick man Hitler was and for Turks they can find out they are officially according to Nazi doctrine, "Untremench", ie sub-human degenerates, in the same category as Jews, Gypsies, Black peoples and so on.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 16:21 |
Originally posted by Antioxos
but now i can understand why the Turkish edition of Mein Kampf was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in March 2005. |
That doesn't mean anything. I was one of the buyers.
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Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 00:22 |
Originally posted by Antioxos
Originally posted by Bulldog
Yeh and reading your comment's I can see why you have a "Burn the Jew" traditional festival.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. |
Can you give some more information (and sources) about this "tradition"? Other wise is very cheap propaganda that you cannot prove it (as usual). If somebody is a fascist (Greek Turk or ever) is becoming for other reasons not because of these "traditions".
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Bulldog that's some serious ammo you have there against Greece.. that hurts hehe
Antioxe, he must mean 'burn the Judas' tradition done by 'some' regional folk in Greece, can't remember the place.. it's done during Easter.. LOL
It's obviously done in contempt of Judas (and not Jews as you 'wishfully' think) who betrayed Jesus.
Greece does not have a problem with Jews my friend.. just with people who would like nothing more than to see the demise of Greece and Hellenism And if anything, a Turk of all people, should not be trying to mar Greece's reputation.. we all know why the Turkish flag is red
And last I heard, wasn't Greece's last prime minister a Jew.. ie Simitis. ??
Yer, the Greeks have a burn the Jew tradition, yet they make a Jew their prime minister.. makes perfect sense.
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Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 02:57 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Its just as cheap as labelling 70-80 million people
because 40,000 read a book,. |
I was referring to a real fact ,you made this conclusion and i m not in a favor of collective guiltiness.
Here is my thesis about the "genocides".
Originally posted by Bulldog
plus reading Mein Keimph doesn't make you a racist, infact reading it helps you understand what a sick man Hitler was and for Turks they can find out they are officially according to Nazi doctrine, "Untremench", ie sub-human degenerates, in the same category as Jews, Gypsies, Black peoples and so on. |
Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party were also supporting the theory of vital space and vital interest of the Third Reich .Do a small search to see in our modern era which states supporting similiar theories.
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Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 04:05 |
Bulldog
propably you consider the threat of war an act of peace?
lol lol lol. What can I say!!!!!
the threat of war since thousands of years is considered by all cvilized people as hostility. And yes I am leaving in a different planet of you. I am leaving in Earth. you?
We are of topic. Because of behaviours like yours and your politicians you never going to enter EU. You can't leave by the laws. Face it. Because of the many problems you ve got, you are showing that hostility to all your neighbors You are the only country in the region that have problems with ALL the neighbor countries. How you explain that?
Anyway start thinking as you were in Ottoman ages and then as i said before you are welcome to EU.
ps. I think that the problems you create to everybody in the region is because of the army. They are govern. Unlikely your governors the Turkish people are friendly and clever. I can't understand why you leave a branch of piones manage your future
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Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 12:58 |
I don't believe Turkey will enter the European Union. I hope they do.
The reason I say this is because I consider myself to be a European nationalist. I look at the foundation of the European unity movement from a romantic viewpoint - the defeat of nationalism and the rise of compromise and all that. Furthermore, I feel the European dream stretches mere political boundaries... If we are being honest, when one person claims Turkey isn't European it shows an inherent racism. We consider Caucasus countries like georgia and Armenia to be European, because they have large white populations. however, Azerbaijan, neighbouring these countries is considered more Asian because its full 'of those damn Muslims'. If Turkey still possessed a Greek population like it used to in the days of the Byzantine Empire there would be absolutely no doubt of Turkey's Europeanness.
In other words, ideas and perceptions decide nationality, not regional consequence.
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Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 14:07 |
Originally posted by Antioxos
Originally posted by DayI
Originally posted by konstantinius
Originally posted by DayI
It is very normal for Turkey to protect his interests by all his means.
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Absolutely.
No one denies Turkey this right. Agression in the area and the threat
of war against all your neighbors is a different thing.
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That go's to the same category, to protect your interest you must be able to take any possible risc's to anyone.
And Greece or any other country has absolutely the right to complain about, if they go further they know for what they go for.
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I would expecting something more constructive from the Turkish elite but now i can understand why the Turkish edition of Mein Kampf was reported to be a bestseller in Turkey in March 2005.
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How do you bind those 2 totally unrelated subjects with eachother? What has mein kampf todo with Turkish policy in mediterrean sea? As far as I remember mein kampf isnt a book for strategical policy's or something. Really I think some Greeks should read that book once to understand what actually Hitler's tought was on "ndermenschen". @Denis, i think you are rather a racist then a nationalist tbh.
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Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 14:44 |
Well Hitler wrote also in Mein Kambf about "Lebensraum" (living space,vital space) as one of the strategical goal of Third Reich that Hitler and Nazis as everybody knows they tried to achieve these goals with military means.They took their risks and they lost.
Edited by Antioxos - 07-Feb-2007 at 14:46
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 05:39 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Perikles
Because Cypru rejected the plan (was from UN and not EU) that does not mean that they don't want the solution. You accepted because it was for your interest.
Excuses, excuses, excuses, the Turkish side had much more to loose. We all know what happened last time Cyprus became a unified state, Eoka, Enosis, Akritas wipe the Turk out plans, Junta's, anarchy etc etc
There was a plan of unification and today there isn't, the ball's in Greek Cyprus' court. Papadopolous is screwing up, there will be two states and it will be thanks to him.
And there are two decitions of UN that declare the occupation illegal. And you must abandon the island. Did you accepted it? NO of course. So leave that crap about Anan plan. It was written by your allies USA and UK. Not UN.
Wake up man.
Greek Cyprus rejected the UN plan, if they had accepted it there would be no TRNC today but a unified Cyprus and Turkey would have lost her guaranteur right so they could have carried out their enosis without fear of intervention.
and Talat is following peacefull politic? propably I am leaving in a different planet.
I think you are
Because I always thought the threat of war not peace.
Yep you are on another planet.
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Exactly right.
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 07:20 |
You guys will accept the enosis (union) if it was not for your interests?
And since you are so well informed about the issue did you know what the plan was saying? And you figured out that the Republic of Cyprus has any reason to accept the plan. In order to solve the problem, and thus you will enter the Eu more easily and stop a large amount of poblems betwee us, is follow the decision of UN. Since you can't do that then we must find a solution that will allow the peace in the Island. And not accept a solution just to say that we solve the problem. The Anan's plan would be a disaster. After 3 or 5 years we would have war. And the victims of that war will be you and me. And this is not our war. I mean that we (Greece or Turkey) didn''t create the problem. The proble was created by UK and USA. We all know that. So leave the crap about anan plan. And Jagatai if you agrre with Bulldog then you are not also from planet earth. lol
But you are welcome to come
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 10:19 |
This thread is not about Cyprus. A casual glance over at the banned list of topics will show you all that.
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 11:34 |
Yes you are right. And I would like to apologise. But as you know the Cyprus is very strong connected with the entering of Turkey in EU.
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Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 08:07 |
Some relations between Turkey and the Western World (Politically. Military. and culturally)
Politically:
A member of Council of Europe:
An Associate member of Western European Union.
Military:
A member of NATO:
Economically:
A member of OECD:
Culturally:
A member of UEFA (Union of European Football Associations)
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