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Topic: Tipu Sultan -do you know him? Posted: 29-Sep-2006 at 12:27 |
Tipu
Sultan, the eldest son of Haider Ali, was born on December 10, 1750 at
Devanhalli. Right from his early years he was trained in the art of
warfare and at the age of 15 he used to accompany his father Haider
Ali, the ruler of Mysore, to different military campaigns. In Addition,
he also learnt different languages, mathematics and science. Tipu
Sultan had a fascination for learning. His personal library consisted
of more than 2,000 books in different languages. He was an extremely
active man and worked hard for the welfare of his subjects. He took
over the kingdom of Mysore after the death of his father in 1782, who
died of a carbuncle in the midst of a campaign against the British. He
continued fighting the British and defeated them in 1783.
Tipu Sultan
was a farsighted person who could foresee East India Company's design
to get entrenched in India. He therefore negotiated with the French for
help and also sought assistance from the Amir of Afghanistan and the
Sultan of Turkey. The British were scared of Tipu's growing strength
and after their defeat in 1783 they formed an alliance with the Nizam
of Hyderabad and Marhattas. The French, however, deserted Tipu after
the signing of the Treaty of Versailles. The British availed the chance
with the help of the Nizam and the Marathas, and started the third
Anglo-Mysore war in 1790.
As long as the
British fought alone, Tipu always defeated them. But he could not come
over their diplomacy, conspiracy and intrigue. Thus he was defeated in
his capital, Seringapatam, and was forced to sign a humiliating treaty
on March 22, 1792. As a result he had to concede half of his kingdom
and pay an indemnity of 33 million rupees to the British and their
allies. The alliance between the adversaries was soon broken and in
1795 the British, after defeating the Nizam, once again turned their
attention towards Mysore. After the treaty at Seringapatam, Tipu Sultan
did not waste his time and made extensive preparations against the
British. He had rebuilt his war machine in the shortest possible time
with the help of the French. The British regarded it as a violation of
the treaty. This led to the start of the fourth Anglo-Mysore war in
1798 with the help of the Nizam. The French were unable to provide the
needed support to Tipu Sultan. Tipu Sultan retreated to his capital and
continued fighting till he breathed his last in May 1799. Tipu Sultan
is buried at a mausoleum that he himself had built, along with his
father Haider Ali and his mother Fatima Begum.
Tipu Sultan
was a great patriot and like his father realized the danger of letting
the British becoming stronger. Although much of the period of his rule
was given to war with the Marhattas, the Nizam and the British, he made
his state secure and peaceful with benevolent rule. He was an
enlightened ruler who treated his non-Muslim subjects generously. He
built a chain of excellent roads and constructed tanks and dams to
promote agriculture. He introduced new industries, promoted trade and
commerce on a large scale. Tipu prohibited the production and
distribution of liquor and other intoxicants in Mysore. He also built
and fortified numerous forts and many palaces, which were demolished by
the British after his death. Bangalore Summer Palace still survives and
is a remnant of his grand rule.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2006 at 12:56 |
Would you please quote the source for this post!
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Posted: 29-Sep-2006 at 13:08 |
oh sorry i will get it in a moment
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Posted: 29-Sep-2006 at 13:13 |
http://www.storyofpakistan.com/person.asp?perid=P073
here is the link pal
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 00:58 |
Originally posted by Tipu Sultan
He was an
enlightened ruler who treated his non-Muslim subjects generously.
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This is not correct. He forcibly converted thousands & thousands of Hindus to Muslim. Please mention the full story, not only the good sides.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 01:18 |
Vivek, read contempory sources including Wellesys dispatches. All of them are in agreement with what he says.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 02:34 |
Originally posted by Sparten
Vivek, read contempory sources including Wellesys dispatches. All of them are in agreement with what he says.
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I don't need to read somebody's dispathces for knowing what I know.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 03:25 |
Read this :
Tipu himself left
behind personal accounts of his atrocities
against the Hindus.
These details can be found in two autobiographies: Sultan-ut Tawarikh and Tarikh-i-Khudadadi, housed
in the India Office Library, London. Noted historian KM Panicker chanced upon Tipu's correspondence at the
India Office Library. These have since been published. Take a letter (March 22,
1788) written to Abdul Khadar: "Over 12,000 Hindus were honoured with Islam ... Local Hindus should be brought
before you and then converted to Islam. No Namboodri should be spared."
In a letter (December 14, 1788), he said to his army commander in Calicut:
"You should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 years may be kept in prison and
5,000 from the rest should be killed hanging from treetops". Writing on
January 19, 1790, to Badroos Saman Khan, he said: "I have achieved a great
victory recently in Malabar and over four lakh Hindus were converted to Islam. I am now
determined to march against the cursed Raman Nair." Tipu issued orders in
different parts of Malabar: "All means, truth or falsehood, fraud or
force, should be employed to effect their (Hindu) universal conversion to
Islam" (Historical Sketches of the South of India in an attempt to trace
the History of Mysore, Mark Wilks Vol II, page 120).
Tipu corresponded
with Zaman Shah, grandson Ahmad Shah Abdali and ruler of Afghanistan before the
Third Mysore War (1792) and continued to do so till 1798. These letters were
translated by Kabir Kausar in The History of Tipu Sultan. In one place, he wrote: "My exalted ambition
has for its object a holy war ... In the midst of this land the Almighty
protects this trace of Muhammadan dominion like the Ark of Noah and cuts short
the extended arm of the abandoned infidel". In a letter dated February 5,
1797: "We should unite in carrying on a holy war against the enemies of
our religion.... Thine armies shall ... render us victorious."
What Fra Bartolomaco, a Portuguese traveller and historian, saw in Malabar in
1790, he recorded in Voyage to East Indies: "Most of the men and women
were hanged in Calicut ... That barbarian Tipu Sultan tied naked Christians and Hindus to the legs of elephants ... till
the bodies ... were torn to prices. Temples and churches were ordered to be
burnt down, desecrated and destroyed ... I myself helped many victims to cross
the Varappuzha river" (pgs 141-142).
The sword of Tipu Sultan carried an inscription
in Persian: "My victorious Sabre is lightening for the destruction of the
unbelievers. Thou art our Lord, make him victorious who promotes the faith of
Muhammad. Confound him, who refuses the faith of Muhammad and withold us from
those who are so inclined" (History of Mysore, CH Rao, Vol III, p 1073).
The Mysore Gazetteer also provides details about Tipu's destruction of over 800 temples in South
India. Who should we believe - Mr Nadwi or what Tipu Sultan's own accounts and other contemporary records?
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 03:27 |
Source of above aricle :
http://www.chowk.com/show_interactor_page.cgi?membername=m_souza
And the second part of Tipu being a great freedom fighter is also a big lie. Anybody fighting the British does'nt become a freedom fighter. Further at that period of time, the British were not ruling India, but only some of it. And even in those times, Tipu fought against the Marathas, who were the Indian nationalists. Tipu was just trying to become another Aurangzeb.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 12:29 |
well tipu sultan was a great king who treated his non muslim subjects on par with equality. vivek you know he gave strict orders that the malabar untouchables hindus who were not allowed to dress above the waist,that they should dress fully. he gave money to build temples and he was dead against untouchability and i love him-he is my hero and i am from a family of converts to ISLAM
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 14:21 |
Tipu Sultan, I have edited the heading into more suiting one, with the idea remaining the same. On the other hand, I think that this should belong either to Medieval Middle-East, South and SE Asia or imperial Age forums.
And inside texts, Islam is written with the first letter as capital and the next ones in lower case, for your knowledge.
Thanks,
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 15:52 |
I don't need to read somebody's dispathces for knowing what I know.
Not a good argument.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 16:24 |
Mortaza seconded.
Vivek, please give better sources.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 20:53 |
"I think that this should belong either to Medieval Middle-East,"
sorry he is an indian king
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Posted: 01-Oct-2006 at 22:42 |
Tipu sultan in my opinion suffers from the English habit of glorifing their defeated enemies. Its a good strategy, make the enemy look strong and powerful after you have beaten him. Then everybody else thinks "This guy was so good - and the English beat him! I won't mess with the English"
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I cant hlep but notice a pattern in the topics you have posted. Seems like freedom fighters or Muslim freedom fighters are a area of interest to you.
I have read a little about Tipu Sultan but unfortunately he is still on my to read list, since I have not come across a book so far that could keep me interested, which is partially do the writing styles of the authors.
However, if you know of a classic book that discusses his life please let me know.
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Yes- Tipu Sultan was indeed a threat to the English but It is ridiculous to claim that he was "An enlightened man". As Vivek mentioned, not everyone who fought the English was a freedom fighter. This is a common but popular misconception on British Imperialism. The Mugal empire who the British helped uproot where not exactly a slice of cake. One Mugal Sultan Killed a wifes' husband and made her eat him in a curry. I'm sorry, buts' thats' just not on! Although the English were Imperialists and in many respects fairly brutal, one cannot try and bolster national pride by claiming that any defenders against the defenders are naturally heroic. History has told us this story over and over again. Do you think that Stalins' montrosities (alright, on a different scale but you see my point) are somehow better because he was invaded and opposed Hitler? Of course not! Do you think that Leopold I in 1705 was somehow more honourable and holy because Louis XIV was the offender in the Spanish succession and later invaded the holy Roman empire? No! It is sheer folly to go about this "Defenders = good" and "Invaders = bad" there is always more to it than that. I am not insinutating that Tipu Sultan was somehow a butcherer, but all I am trying to say is that people should be more careful whilst judging the defenders as well!
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Posted: 02-Oct-2006 at 06:13 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
I don't need to read somebody's dispathces for knowing what I know.
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Have you ever seen Vivek come up with a good argument.
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Originally posted by Earl Aster
Yes- Tipu Sultan was indeed a threat to the English but It is ridiculous to claim that he was "An enlightened man". As Vivek mentioned, not everyone who fought the English was a freedom fighter. This is a common but popular misconception on British Imperialism. The Mugal empire who the British helped uproot where not exactly a slice of cake. One Mugal Sultan Killed a wifes' husband and made her eat him in a curry. I'm sorry, buts' thats' just not on! Although the English were Imperialists and in many respects fairly brutal, one cannot try and bolster national pride by claiming that any defenders against the defenders are naturally heroic. History has told us this story over and over again. Do you think that Stalins' montrosities (alright, on a different scale but you see my point) are somehow better because he was invaded and opposed Hitler? Of course not! Do you think that Leopold I in 1705 was somehow more honourable and holy because Louis XIV was the offender in the Spanish succession and later invaded the holy Roman empire? No! It is sheer folly to go about this "Defenders = good" and "Invaders = bad" there is always more to it than that. I am not insinutating that Tipu Sultan was somehow a butcherer, but all I am trying to say is that people should be more careful whilst judging the defenders as well! |
And the British cut off the heads of the Mughal Kings sons and gave it to him for breakfast. So lets not argue about who was less brutal shall we.
Now Tip Sultan was an enlightened man. He ordered a church built in Mysore, the first in that part of India.
Here is an article written by an Indian professor on him.
Tipu was also one of the first to use rockets in warfare on a large scale.
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And the British cut off the heads of the Mughal Kings sons and gave it to him for breakfast. So lets not argue about who was less brutal shall we. |
If you took the time to look at my post, Sparten, you would see that I was never denying that the invaders were brutal on occasion, in fact, I was arguing that people focus far to much on the crimes of the invaders like you described. My argument was not a simple "Who is more brutal" affair, and in fact i take offense at that remark.
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