Topic: Why does Serbia hold onto Montenegro? Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 13:07
Originally posted by Mila
Just re-read the bolded part of my last post to answer your questions.
What?The medieval thing? I think wikipedia has a point there-those were stormy times-and it's when bosniak identity developed...btw, i found this in a book by Corovic- he claims your origins were serbian, though.Why are we even discussing this- even if u were Serbs-u're not right now...
Btw, historical works by Constantine Porphyrogenitus r counted as reliable...
Then how can you say we're Serbs? It's just so blatantly wrong.
You gave the example of an American saying his ancestry is not British,
when for a large section of the population the ancestry is from Britain. That example
doesn't hold up.
By saying Bosniaks and/or Croats are Serbs, you're actually saying: Americans are descendant from Australians.
Serbs are not the first group - Slavs were. You can say Bosniaks,
Croats, and Serbs are all desendant from Slavs - but you can't say
Bosniaks and Serbs are descendant from Croats, or Bosniaks and Croats
are descendant from Serbs. It's just primitive common sense.
And considering the length of our journey out of Africa, we broke apart
into separate nations at more or less exactly the same time.
"Excluding some 30,000 Albanians living in the south-east, the Jews
who emigrated in earlier times from Spain, a few Osmanli Turks, the merchants,
officials. and Austrian troops, the rest of the population (about 98
per cent) belong to the southern Slavonic people, the Serbs. Although one in
race, the people form in religious beliefs three sharply separated divisions:
the Mohammedans, about 550,000 persons (35 per cent), Greek Schismatics, about
674,000 persons (43 per cent), and Catholics, about 334,000 persons (21.3 per
cent). The last mentioned are chiefly peasants."
Illyria Sacrum is a massive eight-volume history of the Church in Illyria
prepared in the 18th and 19th centuries by three Italian Jesuits, Filipo
Riceputi, Daniele Farlati and Jacobo Coleti. Illyria Sacrum is based on some 300
volumes of raw source materials collected over a twenty-year period. The first
volume was published in 1751 and the eighth in 1819.
Historically speaking, Farlati writes, there are two Serbias. One Serbia is
Primorje or Maritime Serbia. The other Serbia is Zagorje or Interior Serbia.
Zagorje is made up of two parts, Bosnia and Rascia/Raska (partes Serbliae).
Bosnia (pars Serbliae), Farlati writes, like Raska, is a Serb land, an original
and integral part of Zagorja or Interior Serbia.
Mila your knowledge is.....
You read something what was a Tito politic.. We can be shore that only Croats and Bulgars arrived on this peninsula like already Slavinazed Avars,their culture is like ours today and language too,only diferents is in dialekt but we can understand each other more or less. In Istra we can find today Slavs toponims wich dates many centuries before...river Rasa. Sofia was before Serdica... Croats and Bulgars use the some names of their own ancestors(Tuga,Vuga...)
The problems on this land is with religons. This land was on the middle between Roma and Byzant interests. After 1054 when churches were divided. Vatikan suport the chatolics. When Turks arrived,they had their interest too.
All sources we have,even from the East(Byzant-Porfirogenet DAI) And from the West (Roma-many Popes),Reinhard,Illyria Sacrum, Daniele Farlati .
Maps of Europe
Direcke-Weltaltlas, begrndet von C. Diercke, fortgefhrt von R. Dehmel,
Braunschweig 1973 176 (88 d. Neubearbeitung), S. 85.
Reaction and revolution in Europe
Languages, peoples and political divisions of Europe, 1815-1914
Direcke-Weltaltlas, begrndet von C. Diercke, fortgefhrt von R. Dehmel,
Braunschweig 1973 176 (88 d. Neubearbeitung), S. 85.
The Times "Atlas of World History", Edition 1978, page 214: Languages, peoples and political divisions of Europe [1800 to 1914]
Anyhow, it was fun for a time but now it's just annoying - so I'm out
of this thread. Xox Good luck. I can't wait until you start saying the
Ottoman Empire was a Serbian empire too. Tvrtko conquered you,
get over it.
And here is his original letter on this link,not some woodoo s...
He put before his name STEFAN i hope you know what is that.
Quote""in 1377 he was crowned King of Serbia and Bosnia and the Seaside and the Western Lands in a Franciscan monastery in Mile, in the city of Visoko near Sarajevo.""
Thats not true,origialy is like this:" in 1377 he was crowned King of Serbs and Bosnia and the Seaside.....You can see in his letters.
You can see the map of that period on this forum: Historical pictures and Maps gallery: When was
Louis I of Hungary
South East Europe before the rule of Louis the I
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When your heart is empty,your
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anonimus
Anyhow, it was fun for a time but now it's just annoying - so I'm out
of this thread. Xox Good luck. I can't wait until you start saying the
Ottoman Empire was a Serbian empire too. Tvrtko conquered you,
get over it.
shhhh Mila just come to terms we are serbs\
it's laughable that people still fall prey to the bs propaganda .
that is the true reason why tensions prevail in the region
"Excluding some 30,000 Albanians living in the south-east, the Jews
who emigrated in earlier times from Spain, a few Osmanli Turks, the merchants,
officials. and Austrian troops, the rest of the population (about 98
per cent) belong to the southern Slavonic people, the Serbs. Although one in
race, the people form in religious beliefs three sharply separated divisions:
the Mohammedans, about 550,000 persons (35 per cent), Greek Schismatics, about
674,000 persons (43 per cent), and Catholics, about 334,000 persons (21.3 per
cent). The last mentioned are chiefly peasants."
Illyria Sacrum is a massive eight-volume history of the Church in Illyria
prepared in the 18th and 19th centuries by three Italian Jesuits, Filipo
Riceputi, Daniele Farlati and Jacobo Coleti. Illyria Sacrum is based on some 300
volumes of raw source materials collected over a twenty-year period. The first
volume was published in 1751 and the eighth in 1819.
Historically speaking, Farlati writes, there are two Serbias. One Serbia is
Primorje or Maritime Serbia. The other Serbia is Zagorje or Interior Serbia.
Zagorje is made up of two parts, Bosnia and Rascia/Raska (partes Serbliae).
Bosnia (pars Serbliae), Farlati writes, like Raska, is a Serb land, an original
and integral part of Zagorja or Interior Serbia.
Mila your knowledge is.....
You read something what was a Tito politic.. We can be shore that only Croats and Bulgars arrived on this peninsula
like already Slavinazed Avars,their culture is like ours today and
language too,only diferents is in dialekt but we can understand
each other more or less. In Istra we can find today Slavs toponims wich dates many centuries before...river Rasa. Sofia was before Serdica... Croats and Bulgars use the some names of their own ancestors(Tuga,Vuga...)
The problems on this land is with religons. This land was on the middle between Roma and Byzant interests. After 1054 when churches were divided. Vatikan suport the chatolics. When Turks arrived,they had their interest too.
All sources we have,even from the East(Byzant-Porfirogenet DAI) And from the West (Roma-many Popes),Reinhard,Illyria Sacrum, Daniele Farlati .
Maps of Europe
Direcke-Weltaltlas, begrndet von C. Diercke, fortgefhrt von R. Dehmel,
Braunschweig 1973 176 (88 d. Neubearbeitung), S. 85.
Reaction and revolution in Europe
Languages, peoples and political divisions of Europe, 1815-1914
Direcke-Weltaltlas, begrndet von C. Diercke, fortgefhrt von R. Dehmel,
Braunschweig 1973 176 (88 d. Neubearbeitung), S. 85.
The Times "Atlas of World History", Edition 1978, page 214: Languages, peoples and political divisions of Europe [1800 to 1914]
Wait did you even for a minute take that antiquated Catholic
Encyclopedia as an authority on Bosnian history or do you just pick and
choose the sources that will carry on your point further no matter how
wrong the sources used are?
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Posted: 20-Jan-2006 at 20:40
Originally posted by Surbel
ill_tecnique relaja te un pocito,take some pills. Move on,you are
liveing in the past not me. If a fact disturbed you,don't watch
it,like in a past time.
If you know that you are right,why you become so nervose?
I didn't ensalt you not even once,but you did me few times. I accept that. It's not your fault if you had read just some books. Your time is comming,but start with bonton first.
I did not insult you - the only way you can feel insulted by the word cetnik is if you feel yourself as one.
After this sources you only can say: """"the sources that will carry on your point further no matter how
wrong the sources used are? Jajaja every f...g one is wrong,the hole history was wrong and make some bad things to your nation because it didn't mention the "Great state of Bosniaks"
Show me some woodoo magic man. Only you have is a wikipedia Evlija Celebija by Karl May: "The lonely sailor"
Wake up accept the history so you can have the future,or don't bother at all and go play on the backyard streeball.
When your heart is empty,your
mind is worth nothing.
anonimus
According to Christofori and most historians, all the historical
evidence strongly suggests that Serbi-Bosnia's western border ran along
the Una and Sava rivers, centered at Srb, an ancient stronhold on the
Una River.
Croatian historiography
Within Croatian Historiography there is a strong agreement that
Croatia's eastern border ran along the Una and Sava rivers: The
following published works of major croat historian illustrate this
effectively:
Turkoglu,yo te quiero mucho. No puedo vivir sin ti. Tell me your surname so i can tell you,who was your grandfather We have some very very old books. I can help you.
When your heart is empty,your
mind is worth nothing.
anonimus
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Posted: 21-Jan-2006 at 19:50
Originally posted by Surbel
Originally posted by ill_teknique
Ti si opicen u glavu
Turkoglu,yo te quiero mucho. No puedo vivir sin ti. Tell me your surname so i can tell you,who was your grandfather We have some very very old books. I can help you.
Turkoglu,yo te quiero mucho. No puedo vivir sin ti. Tell me your surname so i can tell you,who was your grandfather We have some very very old books. I can help you.
Onaj turcin sto ti je uzeo srbiju
But you sad that you are Bosniak,what happend now you become a Turk?
And remember something,you didn't take me nothing. But what did you take you must live with it.
When your heart is empty,your
mind is worth nothing.
anonimus
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