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TheDiplomat
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Topic: Your Favourite Diplomats Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 07:00 |
Favourite generals,favourite,commanders,favourite wars but what about the favourite diplomats known as staff of peace
which diplomats to have changed history do you know ?
Any favourites?special info?
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Temujin
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 11:49 |
Metternich, Talleyrand-Perigord...that's all i can think of at the moment...
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 12:40 |
I believe appointing Colin Powell to be the US's ambassador to other countries was one of the few good decisions made by the Bush administration.
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Tobodai
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 17:33 |
definately Metternicht
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 19:30 |
I thought Colin Powell was a bear...
Well, Metternicht and Talleyrand may have been good diplomats but they were by no means peace makers and men of noble deeds.
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 19:50 |
Bismark! the man was brilliant!
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 20:02 |
was he a diplomat?
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Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 20:09 |
Could be. Anyone who negociates with foreign powers can be considered a diplomat.
He was originally a Chansellor though.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 06:27 |
Bismarck did devote himself to peace after the Franco-Prussian
War. The tricky part is that he still never passed up doing
anything that made Germany stronger, too. For example, he didn't
like overseas adventures, and only went out to grab colonies for
Germany because it defused tensions, keeping the Germans from wanting
to start a war at home. In the end he used one of the better
colonies he got, Zanzibar, as a bargaining chip, trading it to the
British for Heligoland, a tiny island in the North Sea.
Though he often gets a bad press today (in part because of the "Blood
and Iron" speech), Bismarck was definitely a better leader than Kaiser
Bill, because he knew when to stop.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 06:35 |
Grabbing colonies is definately not peaceful....
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 13:33 |
Originally posted by Berosus
Though he often gets a bad press today (in part because of the "Blood and Iron" speech), Bismarck was definitely a better leader than Kaiser Bill, because he knew when to stop.
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I completely disagree, Bismarck was resposible for starting three wars, and he was not itnerested in Germany at all, we was itnerested in prussia. Wilhelm did not start a single war and everytime there were international tensions, we was fast to beat the wardrum, but ultimately, he was to indesiscive to start any conflict...Bismarcks system of alliance was also the reason Germany got dragge into WW1.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 17:14 |
Agreed. He was the one respocible for turning Germany into sabre-rattling war machine. Plus he is the one who made Allience of the Emperors.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 15:30 |
The advisor Kautilya to the Mauryan empire, he was a genious though theres no direct evidence of diploimacy-making.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 15:33 |
1)Bismarck
2)Talleyrand
3)Metternich
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Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 17:22 |
Bismark was not only brilliant, his political diplomacies where like a
puzzle each placed perfectly in place. It wasn't Bismark who started
war but the man who came after who clearly didn't have good
diplomatic skills.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 11:27 |
who was the guy who was known as the "coachman of europe"? his name slipped my mind.
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Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 17:50 |
Istemi Yabghu and Prime Minister Tonyuquq of the Tujue Empire.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 04:16 |
I vote for Siemion Woroncow (Russian ambassador in London in XVIII century). When in 1791 everything seemed that Great Britain with its allies (Prussia and Netherlands) would attack Russia, he managed to bribe members of English parlament (for example the leader of opposition Charles Fox) and English government. When the matter of war was put to the vote in parliament on 31 March 1791 it appeared that supporters of war had big advantage. But during decisive conference of English government at night there was a sensational disagreement between ministers that forced Prime Minister William Pitt Junior to send note to Berlin that cancelled attack of Tripple Alliance on Russia which seemed to be unavoidable. Some ministers that had supported the idea of war before during one night suddenly changed their opinions...
Siemion Woroncow bribed not only members of English government but also a lot of journalists that caused that public opinion did not support the idea of war. This action of Russian ambassador was brilliant. He saved his country from being overwhelmed by armies of Great Britain and Prussia (Russia was not able to fight in two parts of Europe - we must remember that it was fighting also against Turkey!). Unfortunately, it also meant that Poland lost maybe its last chance to liberate from influences of Russia by taking part in war as an ally of Great Britain and Prussia. Four years later it lost its independence.
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Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 12:45 |
Tony Blair was so persuasive in his speech to war that at that time, I supported the war for Iraq....
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Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 21:27 |
Bismarck shouldn't be blamed for World War One. It was only after Kaiser Wilhelm II deliberately reversed his policies by antagonizing Britain and Russia that the alliance system began to rigidify. Keep in mind too, from 1871 till 1914 was one of the longest period of peace in Europe, thanks to Bismarck's diplomacy. It's especially impressive given that for the last 25 years of that people were working against the system Bismarck put in place to keep peace.
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