Afrocentrism

Egypt was neither black or white, it was just Egypt. Every culture must be judged in it�s own right, not just lumped together in broad categories.

Originally posted by X-Ras Originally posted by hugoestr X-RAS has not read the article yet. Why don't we give him or her some time to do so? I read that article years ago and saw a critique of in Richard Poe's "Black Spark, White Fire" book, so I'm well familiar with it. Making straw attacks on Afrocentrism isn't going to change the fact that ancient Egyptian civilization was African and its people were indigenous, biological Africans.

So please share your thoughts the article. :)

Originally posted by Joinville What the hell is a "biological African" here? What is not a biological African? Geographical Africans seem entirely unproblematic in the context. But "biological"?

What does it mean to be "biologically African" ?

"The various genetic studies usually suffer from what is called categorical thinking, specifically, racial thinking. Many investigators still think of "African" in a stereotyped, nonscientific (nonevolutionary) fashion, not acknowledging a range of genetic variants or traits as equally African. The definition of "African" that would be most appropriate should encompass variants that arose in Africa."

The Geographical Origins and Population Relationships of Early Ancient Egyptians
Professor S.O.Y. Keita
Department of Biological Anthropology
Oxford University

Professor A. J. Boyce
University Reader in Human Population
Oxford University

Originally posted by hugoestr X-RAS has not read the article yet. Why don't we give him or her some time to do so?

I read that article years ago and saw a critique of in Richard Poe's "Black Spark, White Fire" book, so I'm well familiar with it. Making straw attacks on Afrocentrism isn't going to change the fact that ancient Egyptian civilization was African and its people were indigenous, biological Africans.

X-RAS has not read the article yet. Why don't we give him or her some time to do so?

Originally posted by Decebal Nubians: I agree, they were what one would call�black. Ancient Egyptians... we've had several really long discussions about it already. The best answer is that they were most likely a multiracial society, similar to today's Brazilians for example, or for that matter to today's Egyptians. They had "black" people and they had "white" people, and most of them were somewhere in between. To argue that they were exclusively one or the other is misguided and smacks of racism.

LMAO, AE had no "white" people, a look at the artwork as well as the physical anthropology of the peoples proves beyond all doubt that Ancient Egyptian peoples were certainly more continuous with other Nile Valley populations and more related to them, that is if one is willing to accept that Nile Valley peoples from Egypt to the Horn of Africa are diverse peoples. The multi-racial argument doesn't work nor does it have any support.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Originally posted by X-Ras This is the same Ann Roth who said Nubians were not black, give me a break, I'm well aware of these straw attacks on Afrocentrism. Does it even matter?The discussion if Nubians are black is more relevant for the definition of black than for the characteristics of the Nubians.

Well th Nubians and Ancient Egyptians were blacks, so I don't see where the problem lies.

Originally posted by pinguin Be careful, Red Clay. The guy is promoting an agenda. I believe.

Originally posted by X-Ras This is the same Ann Roth who said Nubians were not black, give me a break, I'm well aware of these straw attacks on Afrocentrism.

I believe the issue then is what is meant by "black". She would have been saying they were "Nubian".

"Race, then, is essentially a social concept, native to the society in which one lives."