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    Posted: 09-Jan-2007 at 21:49
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

never....ever..will there be a one world govt. We will never see it in our lifetime, nor at the end of the human race. Nobody follows the rules, international rules for example. (Only one case is that of the protection rights of Embassies.) Every other law made for the sake of International Union has failed and will continue failing.


    

I don't know... it's true that people are so diverse that it would be a miracle for all mankind to work as a team... but I wouldnt be sure about one world government to be impossible. People tried to work as a team to make things more efficient, and slowly the world is getting closer to unity. Look at the economical system the rise of mass production technique. The rise of League of Nations and UN. The establishment of European Union and increasing number of people to speak English and Chinese.
     
   
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never....ever..will there be a one world govt. We will never see it in our lifetime, nor at the end of the human race. Nobody follows the rules, international rules for example. (Only one case is that of the protection rights of Embassies.) Every other law made for the sake of International Union has failed and will continue failing.

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I believe that One World government only exist when there is a great global disaster,natural disaster, Alien attack.etc,so peopleneed to join together to solve the problem, no single nation can slove, then such government may exist
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Thxs Northman. What is hope for if not the impossible. In the end i think the most likely synthesis is likely to stem from a benevolent dictatorship, that sticks around long enough to bring about a OWG. It seems for some people the carrot is not enough of an incentive.
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I spring 2006 we had a similar discussion - maybe someone will find it interesting in combination with what is said here.
 
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One question I have to ask, is why do people want a one world government?
 
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Originally posted by Denis

I don't see how one huge federal government is implausible. Would you not agree that a ultimate constitution is necessary to protect international rights? Take for example the global capital is in Bucharest. If the federal government of Uruguay misbehaved by fixing the state elections, the ultimate constitution in Bucharest would mean that legally, the Uruguayan election fixers would be immediately arrested by the international police. Just a thought really.
 
Yes, i don't see why there can't exist a federal govt. Most of the world is living under economic imperialism today anyway, problem is the havenots are not bourne out of circumstance but policy. In a OWG it would be the same rights for everyone and an inclusive society.
 
As i said before: "I was envisaging a more modular system, a hierarchal layers of controls, with the main functions of the center would be dealing with issues like the distribution of resources"
It could well be multi-constitutional and should definitely have distributed power structures rather than a concentration of power at the centre.
 
It seems that some who may have voted for a OWG may have visualized the world under a single imperial power. But it seems like the overwhelming majority are too skeptical of such an evolution. Maybe we are not ready yet.
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One question I have to ask, is why do people want a one world government?
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Originally posted by Genghis

I would disagree with Malizai's assertion that the greatest threat (and greatest obstacle) to global unity is ideology.  I think the greatest obstacle would simply be economics if you want to call it that.  No wealthy nation is going to want to join a OWG that will take more of their money and give it to poorer countries which, in their view at least, did not earn the money and when there are other things they want to spend the money on.  Poorer countries are not going to join a OWG which will not promise them much money and instead leave them vulnerable to the power of the wealthier nations.
 
Simply put, people want resources and most don't want to share.  No species in nature (or at least most of them, there might be some very odd exception I've never heard of) care for their species as a whole, only a small group of them.  I don't think humans have evolved past that fact.
 
Genghis you are right it would not work without harmonizing the intellectual will of the global leadership. Economic theories are based on ideological principles, therefore can not be criticized independently from other ideologies.
 
"Simply put, people want resources and most don't want to share. "
 
It is not evolution holding us back, because we do look after our weak and infirm, and believe it or not we share, just not equitably. Trade is barter, which is in fact a share in the others provisions.


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One world government?
 
And who is going to be the president? Putin or Bush? LOL
 
Perhaps the better way is to give more power to the U.N., to form an international army coallition, and to strenght international law instead of military or economical power.
 
But a single government could be a nightmare under the hands of a dictator.
 
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I was thinking more of an overall constitution and parliament. The overall parliament would be based in an inconsequential city or country (Romania, Latvia, Uganda or somewhere like that) Who at the time of asking had little to no diplomatic or military might. Just an idea playing around in my head but the bottom line is that the constitution would be framed in such a way that a dictator would be nigh on impossible to take control.
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One world government would require much war and conflict to accomplish and on top of that even more simply to sustain it. Large numbers of people would be divided into classes and the difference between the haves and have-nots would be even greater than we have today. I wouldn't want this to happen at all, in fact we should even break up huge nations that we have today into smaller self-sufficient communites.
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Like Seko i also think that a world with separete counties and governments is enough good.But without war and confrontation only with trade between countries like in Thomas Mores Autopia.
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'One world anything' is too much control in the hands of a few. Kind of sounds like us, lol!

I wouldn't even dream of a one world government in our lifetime. I like the idea of seperate governments running their own show and bartering with another to sell some goods and compete in international afffairs.
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SubjectTopic: One World Govt
 
What about 'separation of global power' and 'checks & balances' - don't we still need those things?  Isn't it a bit risky to give 1 regime (gov't) control of the planet?  I'd rather see something like the U.N. but more functional.
 
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One world government?
 
And who is going to be the president? Putin or Bush? LOL
 
Perhaps the better way is to give more power to the U.N., to form an international army coallition, and to strenght international law instead of military or economical power.
 
But a single government could be a nightmare under the hands of a dictator.
 
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I don't see how one huge federal government is implausible. Would you not agree that a ultimate constitution is necessary to protect international rights? Take for example the global capital is in Bucharest. If the federal government of Uruguay misbehaved by fixing the state elections, the ultimate constitution in Bucharest would mean that legally, the Uruguayan election fixers would be immediately arrested by the international police. Just a thought really.
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consider the fact that there are over 6.5 billion people on the planet, world domination would be impossible.


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One world Govt=more control over people, more effective management of capital...So it would be a system where the governors, bureaucrats and other "influential contacts" may get all the wealth..Even more exploitation..
 
It would be a fine dream otherwise...A place where all the people live in peace, harmony and friendship bla bla bla...Though it is just a dream.
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I would disagree with Malizai's assertion that the greatest threat (and greatest obstacle) to global unity is ideology.  I think the greatest obstacle would simply be economics if you want to call it that.  No wealthy nation is going to want to join a OWG that will take more of their money and give it to poorer countries which, in their view at least, did not earn the money and when there are other things they want to spend the money on.  Poorer countries are not going to join a OWG which will not promise them much money and instead leave them vulnerable to the power of the wealthier nations.
 
Simply put, people want resources and most don't want to share.  No species in nature (or at least most of them, there might be some very odd exception I've never heard of) care for their species as a whole, only a small group of them.  I don't think humans have evolved past that fact.


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Thxs Omar.

I agree with your point on communication, technology and travel, their advancement make things much much easier. I cant remember the last time i went to the bank, since everything can get done over the phone and online.
 
Empires however have a very different political fabric from the proposed OWG , they are by their nature authoritarian and indifferent towards the people. The Romans did not have equality amongst all the dwellers within their realm, there were ofcourse subjects and citizens, which is a source of conflict. In OWG the onus is on minimized competition for essential resources, giving equal rights and market access to all.
 
I was envisaging a more modular system, a hierarchal layers of controls, with the main functions of the center would be dealing with issues like the distribution of resources, than say dictating what tv chanels u should watch. Say for example Country A has pools of fresh water resources but little cultivatable land, Country B relies on the water from A to grow crops. Country A uses leverage to get terms with B to source money/food for its own population. It could result in a conflict, right!. OWG decides from the very outset what the minimum rights are and distributes 'essential' resources equally along with any derived benefit. So if country B yields more produce than A needs, then it will still share the surplus produce with A proportional to both their populations.
 
Some would argue that the lack of competition will grind things to a halt in fields like technolgy an science. But if you replace the threat and start competing with the environment and diseases to improve your life and standard of living then we still have a positive competition. After all the first human that lit the flame and used the fire for warmth and food did not do so out of competition. Sports attempt to pacify some of our animal instincts vis a vis fellow humans, and channel that energy quite successfully.


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