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Topic: America under Islam Posted: 15-Jan-2013 at 15:27 |
OK, I confess that this comment is rather provocative, I hope the hard of thinking wont get too excited.
The USA was NOT colonised BY Muslims. But it was colonised USING Muslims, Millions of Muslims slaves, from British colonial time to the late 19th century.
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Posted: 15-Jan-2013 at 14:48 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
What would the USA be like today if it was colonised by Muslims rather than the English and Spaniards? |
That is an interesting scenario. I can see muslims gaining early footholds in the New World, but they would also face alot of Christian competition from Spain, France, Great Britain etc as soon as they discovered the sailing routes. The routes would be discovered soon as the Spanish, French British would make it a national priority.
Originally posted by lirelou
So the English, Dutch, French, and Swedish colonists of North America would have left a Protestant North America facing down the Islamic south below the Rio Grande. |
That is assuming that the Spanish, Portuguese and others respected Turkish claims. Not only were these nations not inclined to respect Turkish claims, but the Spanish and Portuguese had excellent sailing skills and were far closer geographically to the New World than Turkey.
My guess is that Christian colonies would develop very close to and at the same pace as the Islamic ones. In the long run, the outnumbered and logistically stretched Muslims would hold on to their Carribean Island holdings and the Yucatan Penninsula (easier to defend, more culturally insulated) but the competing Christians would colonize and / or capture most of the other areas.
One interesting spinoff would be Cuba. Would an Islamic Cuba go communist?
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Posted: 15-Jan-2013 at 14:08 |
The French trappers and various Mountain Men of the ' pays d'en haut and coureurs des bois'... coupled with the pesky redskins of the SW. Particularly the N'de, Dine and the nʉmʉ tekwapʉ . Ya got to remember to keep this chronologically straight.... vaqueros come latter.
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Posted: 15-Jan-2013 at 13:50 |
Originally posted by lirelou
Columbus sailing for Islam would not have changed the colonization of North America which, with the obvious exception of Mexico, had been passed up by the Spanish precisely because they viewed it as without the developed subject peoples that their colonization depended upon. So the English, Dutch, French, and Swedish colonists of North America would have left a Protestant North America facing down the Islamic south below the Rio Grande. On the plus side, Latin America would still have Selma Hayak and Shakira, but would still be an economic backwater locked in centuries of solitude.
Oh yes, I forgot to count the Orthodox Russians of the Northwest and Alaska. They would have been with us also. |
So cowboys and Muslims would fight to conquer the West? Wonder which side would ultimately win?
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Posted: 12-Jan-2013 at 22:17 |
Columbus sailing for Islam would not have changed the colonization of North America which, with the obvious exception of Mexico, had been passed up by the Spanish precisely because they viewed it as without the developed subject peoples that their colonization depended upon. So the English, Dutch, French, and Swedish colonists of North America would have left a Protestant North America facing down the Islamic south below the Rio Grande. On the plus side, Latin America would still have Selma Hayak and Shakira, but would still be an economic backwater locked in centuries of solitude.
Oh yes, I forgot to count the Orthodox Russians of the Northwest and Alaska. They would have been with us also.
Edited by lirelou - 12-Jan-2013 at 22:19
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Posted: 12-Jan-2013 at 20:52 |
Natives would have been as equally brutalized and exploited. Mandatory conversions and enslavements ie. mass slavery will occur. Indigenous status if even obtained, would still have led to natives being marginalized, exploited and oppressed by Islam; as evidenced by their earlier actual expansion across North Africa, the greater Middle East and the Iberian penisular. Jizya or dhimma would have been the least of the natives problems.
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Posted: 12-Jan-2013 at 20:21 |
Does that mean the Turks would be the superpower of the modern age? With New World gold, they could easily fund further expansionism into Europe, perhaps stretching their boundaries as far as Germany
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Posted: 11-Jan-2013 at 10:06 |
I guess it would be a lot more peaceful, fewer foreign wars, crime free, less dictatorships genocides and human rights abuses caused around the world, less US backed terrorism worldwide, better food and less fundamentalist religion than now. All in all a big improvement I'd say, start handing out those Korans in schools.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2013 at 12:18 |
![](http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv110/zcry/flag/USlam.gif) In an alternative history, Christopher Columbus is mocked and dismissed by both the Spanish and Portuguese, so he offers his services to the Turks. The sultan provides Columbus with a ship and promise of reward if he claims the new land for Islam. What would the USA be like today if it was colonised by Muslims rather than the English and Spaniards? Would Europe be more or less advanced, and would America be independent or remain under the caliph's control?
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