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Most...Stubborn Balkan Nation?
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Poll Question: Most...Stubborn Balkan nation?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
3 [8.11%]
2 [5.41%]
3 [8.11%]
5 [13.51%]
3 [8.11%]
3 [8.11%]
12 [32.43%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [5.41%]
1 [2.70%]
3 [8.11%]
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    Posted: 22-Mar-2007 at 04:01
Yeh I worked out what it is now from the poll but thanks anyway
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Mar-2007 at 20:11
Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Macedonia, Greece, Turkey.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Mar-2007 at 20:09
Originally posted by Balaam

Originally posted by es_bih

Originally posted by Balaam

So thats what/where the Balkans are.....
?
 
 
 
I never knew what country's made up the Balkans and was always too lazy to look it upLOLLOL
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Mar-2007 at 20:05
Originally posted by Yugoslav




BTW, Bosnia and Herzegovina is hardly a nation.

 
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Please do not get me started on this crap.
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The title's slightly controversial.

If we go throughout history, Albanians could've been considered a part of Turkish nation and Macedonians either Bulgarian or Serbian (Montenegrins still of Serbian).

BTW, Bosnia and Herzegovina is hardly a nation.

Clarification is needed.
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i think we should of had a separate option for the Maniotis.
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Originally posted by es_bih

Originally posted by Balaam

So thats what/where the Balkans are.....
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I never knew what country's made up the Balkans and was always too lazy to look it upLOLLOL
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 23:42
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Originally posted by es_bih

 
Anyone could have beated Austria in 1914, they were the sick man of Europe, just like the Ottoman state had been in 1800. Austria is on par with Italy in this time period when it comes to military efficiency, which was virtually non existant.
 
 
This statement is really silly Confused 
 
Please read the thread(s) dedicated to this topic in the past, which you can find using the function search.
 
 
 
It is not silly it is a proven fact, Serbia was not a might to toy with, Serbias military was not on part with the west. They beat the advancing Austrian army nevertheless. It is not a silly statement, it is an observation of the fact. They were not a great military power. The reason Germany kept being allied with them was because of Wilhelm II not Bismarck, Wilhelm II had no foresight, nor tactical knowledge, Bismarck saw the wisdom of a Russian alliance over one with Austria.
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OK, let's have a thread about the best kind of apples ;)
 
Ok... if Serbia is an apple, then... what is Turkey/Ottoman Empire? A huge watermelon!
 
Ack- , apples don't taste that great anyway. Let's talk about... sugar!
     
   
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 11:44
Originally posted by Leonardo

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I voted Croatia for their stubbornness at maintaining with us old issues dating from WWII (for instance, proibition for Italian to own land in Croatia).
However, they will had to can them if the want to join the Union.
 
That is because the Italians have been trying to take away Croatian coastal lands for centuries. I completely understand their phobia of Italian landownership.
 
  
 
 
From the Italian point of view you can say the same about the attempts of the Balkanic Slavs to take away those coastal lands from Romance speaking people living there since the times of the Roman Empire.
 
Anyway I voted for Serbia too Smile
 
 
 
Key word Romance speaking not Italians themselves my friend. Italy is confined to very clear borders. Across the coast is not Italy it's imperalism. I'm sorry but the Croatian point of view seems more reasonable of the two. The Croatians are a composition of those Illyrian, and Romance speaking components alongside the Slavic ones. They represent more the heritage of that region in my opinon.
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Originally posted by es_bih

Originally posted by Serge L

I voted Croatia for their stubbornness at maintaining with us old issues dating from WWII (for instance, proibition for Italian to own land in Croatia).
However, they will had to can them if the want to join the Union.
 
That is because the Italians have been trying to take away Croatian coastal lands for centuries. I completely understand their phobia of Italian landownership.
 
  
 
 
From the Italian point of view you can say the same about the attempts of the Balkanic Slavs to take away those coastal lands from Romance speaking people living there since the times of the Roman Empire.
 
Anyway I voted for Serbia too Smile
 
 


Edited by Leonardo - 19-Mar-2007 at 10:16
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Originally posted by es_bih

 
Anyone could have beated Austria in 1914, they were the sick man of Europe, just like the Ottoman state had been in 1800. Austria is on par with Italy in this time period when it comes to military efficiency, which was virtually non existant.
 
 
This statement is really silly Confused 
 
Please read the thread(s) dedicated to this topic in the past, which you can find using the function search.
 
 
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Originally posted by Balaam

So thats what/where the Balkans are.....
 
LOL

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 09:27
Originally posted by Balaam

So thats what/where the Balkans are.....
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So thats what/where the Balkans are.....
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 00:06
Originally posted by pekau

Serbia, though I won't use the word "stubborn". They held their land from Ottoman Empire for some time, and resisted fiercely against Austria and later, Austria-Hungary. They held outnumbered, against better equiped Austrian armies... and they did so without the help of Russians until the Germans came... and even then, they were able to successfully escape, only to strike at other times. Though I would often question their policies and their... overwhelming feeling of nationalism... Serbia is the nation worthy of respect.
 
 
Anyone could have beated Austria in 1914, they were the sick man of Europe, just like the Ottoman state had been in 1800. Austria is on par with Italy in this time period when it comes to military efficiency, which was virtually non existant. The only miltary trump card they had was their military alliance with the German Empire, whose Army was the best and most efficient in Europe, and could spare men in the early stages to help the Austrian infantry out, alongside, invading France, and Russia, truly an amazing feat even though their effort had been futile from the start. They had Bosnia, Hungary with all their dependancies on their side and lost to an overwhelming Ottoman army, thereafter, they were vassals to the Ottoman Sultan, they had no say in any matter, the principalities were virtually a part of the Ottoman Empire. The only two countries that actually held out would be Bosnia, and Croatia for decades during the Ottoman conquest of the Balkans.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 23:57
Originally posted by Serge L

I voted Croatia for their stubbornness at maintaining with us old issues dating from WWII (for instance, proibition for Italian to own land in Croatia).
However, they will had to can them if the want to join the Union.
 
That is because the Italians have been trying to take away Croatian coastal lands for centuries. I completely understand their phobia of Italian landownership.
 
 
 
My vote goes to Serbia, stuborn in a bad way. An almost nonexisten diplomacy, bad human rights record, tenacity to start wars.
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I like teh Granny smith apples the best hmmmmmmmmmmmmm GrannyTongue

if this poll wasn't started by a well respected member like Spartakus I would think this was a ment as  flame bate.

because most of who is the most..........threads are or end up in one


Edited by xi_tujue - 18-Mar-2007 at 16:06
I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage
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Originally posted by Dan Carkner

OK, let's have a thread about the best kind of apples ;)
ok
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Turkey - stubborn in a bad way.


Care to explain more?
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