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    Posted: 26-Jan-2007 at 01:17
Originally posted by malizai_

 
Also look into the black pashas of the Ottomans. The balck pashas also became king makers.


THANX! I will surely looki into the Black Pashas, thanks for suggesting them.....
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I've never seen an Ab Origine with Blond  do you have pictures of some?

 
Not only Australians, but many Aboriguins in the pacific are blond. I warn you they ARE NOT half blood with Europeans, because the genetics of Asian blondness is different to the European! Take a look:
 
 
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WOW THANX....Just out of Curiosity what race would the Governmental systems put these "Ab Origines" in?


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Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika

Originally posted by LilLou

I guess chinese people could be (full blooded) but also the aboriginals from australia, theres no other people known to be like them, they are dark skinned with blond hair that would make hitler proud, but u never know these people might of been mixed from somebody else in human existence.    something to think aboutErmm


I've never seen an Ab Origine with Blond  do you have pictures of some?
 
Not only Australians, but many Aboriguins in the pacific are blond. I warn you they ARE NOT half blood with Europeans, because the genetics of Asian blondness is different to the European! Take a look:
 
Solomon Islands:
 
 
 
 
Australian Aboriguines:
 
 
 
 
 
 
Rabaul
 
 
Malaita
 
 
For more, See this thread:
 
 
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There exist the popular notion that slave trade somehow drive the mixing with subsaharans in North Africa and the Middle East, but the matter is more complex. Slavery could have contributed something but not as much, particularly considering the Black African slaves were routinarily castrated upon arrival.
 
Now, the true is something more simpler than that. There has been flux of peoples inside and outside Africa since prehistorical times. So called "Caucasian" peoples penetrated Africa from the Middle East, and probably from Iberia as well, and populated all the way from Morocco to Egypt and down south to Ethiopia. and since then they kept comming to all the region known as "Afro-Asiatic". On the other hand, sub-Saharans also migrated up north in a continuos flux, and mixing has been going on in all these regions from prehistorical times.
 
Today, genetists see the impact of mixing by measuring the spread of genetical markers. And they show a very clear picture. Certain genes with origin in Central Africa has spread up to Scandinavia and viceversa. All that change are frequencies.
 
One day I read in a book that people reproduces with the first member of the opposite sex that give it a chance. And that is easily seen in the genetic maps of markers. People is not divided in races but in populations that vary smoothly.
 
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Like Ikki said most Afro-American were from the West coast of Africa, the ME usually had slaves from the East coast.  The major stop overs being Zanzibar, Oman, yemen.
 
ME has always been the crossroads of the world, the only thing it is missin is giant traffic  lights. So the cosmopolitan centres of the ME were always very mixed. Especially with Islam becoming the dominant religion the race barriers were ignored and a lor of mixing took place.
 
Also look into the black pashas of the Ottomans. The balck pashas also became king makers.


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Originally posted by LilLou

I guess chinese people could be (full blooded) but also the aboriginals from australia, theres no other people known to be like them, they are dark skinned with blond hair that would make hitler proud, but u never know these people might of been mixed from somebody else in human existence.    something to think aboutErmm


I've never seen an Ab Origine with Blond  do you have pictures of some?
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I guess chinese people could be (full blooded) but also the aboriginals from australia, theres no other people known to be like them, they are dark skinned with blond hair that would make hitler proud, but u never know these people might of been mixed from somebody else in human existence.    something to think aboutErmm
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Originally posted by Zagros

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"And now to my next question.....Why do alot of Middle Eastern people look like mixed African Americans? Or does it only appear that way to me?"
 
By mixed African Americans, I assume you mean mulatto.
 
Middle Eastern's do not look like mixed African Americans. Just go to Iran, Iraq or Kurdistan and you'll notice.




The picture above is a group of terrorists

The man on the Bottom left on this picture and the man on the bottm right both look like African Americans.......Matter of fact one of my friend looks just like the guy on the bottom left and he's black and Domincian.....(my friend)
 
Welcome tot he forum my friend.
 
As you may or may not be aware, the Arabs were prolific in the slave trade of Africans in the medieval and middle age periods.  As a result many people of African descent ended up in the Middle East, most notably in Saudi Arabia and Other Peninsular Arab countries.
 
In Iran, there are around 20-30,000 people of African descent concentrated int he South of the country, these people are teh descendants of Portuguese slaves.  The Portuguese occupied a section of Southern Iran for 70 years in the middle ages before being expelled, their slaves remained.
 
Apart from slavery: East African black people have had interactions witht he middle east for millenia, namely the Abbysianians and Nubians, though they look very much different to African Americans although they also have black skin.


I appreciate the welcome Zagros....


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Friends i think that you aren't looking this with historical perspective: there is a lot of african (black) inheritance in Middle East because the slavery of previous centuries from East frica, specially in south Arabia where the blacks have an strong presence (Yemen and Oman, but Saudi Arabia too), but this is certainlly true in Egypt; out of the core of Middle East we have to Morocco in the same situation, althought their black inheritance have the origin in slavery from the Nger region.
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Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika

Originally posted by Cent

"And now to my next question.....Why do alot of Middle Eastern people look like mixed African Americans? Or does it only appear that way to me?"
 
By mixed African Americans, I assume you mean mulatto.
 
Middle Eastern's do not look like mixed African Americans. Just go to Iran, Iraq or Kurdistan and you'll notice.




The picture above is a group of terrorists

The man on the Bottom left on this picture and the man on the bottm right both look like African Americans.......Matter of fact one of my friend looks just like the guy on the bottom left and he's black and Domincian.....(my friend)
 
Welcome tot he forum my friend.
 
As you may or may not be aware, the Arabs were prolific in the slave trade of Africans in the medieval and middle age periods.  As a result many people of African descent ended up in the Middle East, most notably in Saudi Arabia and Other Peninsular Arab countries.
 
In Iran, there are around 20-30,000 people of African descent concentrated int he South of the country, these people are teh descendants of Portuguese slaves.  The Portuguese occupied a section of Southern Iran for 70 years in the middle ages before being expelled, their slaves remained.
 
Apart from slavery: East African black people have had interactions witht he middle east for millenia, namely the Abbysianians and Nubians, though they look very much different to African Americans although they also have black skin.


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Originally posted by pekau

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Those look like Africans, not Middle Easterns. 
 
Middle Eastern = Arab, Kurd, Persian, Turk, Syriac and so on. 


African doesn't always mean black people or "negroid" as science call it...Does it? Because I've seen all different types of people in Africa and i was wondering was it always like that? Because i mean i heard that African is where humanity began.....But i also heard that people like the asians (mongols) came from Asia,  Caucasians came from the Caucus mountains, etc......So if everyone came from Africa, why do they also say that people came from different parts of the world? That really confuses me......
 
Simply because we don't know that mankind originated from Africa. Humanity still debates whether mankind was created through the process of evolution or by God's divine creationism.
 
I disagree, according to my opinion, that people of Middle East are liek Black Americans. (In general, anyway. It depends on the individuals, reallly)


oh ok i beleive in both God and Evolution myself....I think God created us and then we evolved over time......


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Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika

Originally posted by Cent

Those look like Africans, not Middle Easterns. 
 
Middle Eastern = Arab, Kurd, Persian, Turk, Syriac and so on. 


African doesn't always mean black people or "negroid" as science call it...Does it? Because I've seen all different types of people in Africa and i was wondering was it always like that? Because i mean i heard that African is where humanity began.....But i also heard that people like the asians (mongols) came from Asia,  Caucasians came from the Caucus mountains, etc......So if everyone came from Africa, why do they also say that people came from different parts of the world? That really confuses me......
 
Simply because we don't know that mankind originated from Africa. Humanity still debates whether mankind was created through the process of evolution or by God's divine creationism.
 
I disagree, according to my opinion, that people of Middle East are liek Black Americans. (In general, anyway. It depends on the individuals, reallly)
     
   
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The problem is people usually in terms of "RACE" instead of "Populations".
In term of populations, there is not discontinuity between Congo and Sweeden.  The frequencies of genes change with distance, that all.
If you go slowly, walking, from Congo to Sweeden you'll never see a place where people suddenly changes, but you will see populations changing little by little.
 
That's call a cline. And that's what exist between Congo and Sweeden, an slope of phenotypes. Middle Easterners are along the path between both extremes, that's all.
 
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Those people mentioned are i think probably from the Tanzania bombing. Some Arabs do look like the tri-racial types that Pinguin alluded to. Some actually show greater african admmixture like the Omani's. Arabs have often married Africans, as well as everyone else.

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Scientists think that the very first humans lived in Africa. From there they moved to other places of the world. This happened so long ago and over such a long time, that different groups of people started to change seperately from each other. The timescale is millions of years. This is how people in different parts of the world came to look different from each other.
But people are not stationary, they still move around a lot. That is why it is difficult to see any 'pure' races anywhere, because people keep moving around and mixing and changing all the time.

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Originally posted by Cent

Those look like Africans, not Middle Easterns. 
 
Middle Eastern = Arab, Kurd, Persian, Turk, Syriac and so on. 


African doesn't always mean black people or "negroid" as science call it...Does it? Because I've seen all different types of people in Africa and i was wondering was it always like that? Because i mean i heard that African is where humanity began.....But i also heard that people like the asians (mongols) came from Asia,  Caucasians came from the Caucus mountains, etc......So if everyone came from Africa, why do they also say that people came from different parts of the world? That really confuses me......
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Of course there are Africans in Middle East, but that doesn't make them Middle Eastern, if you know what I mean.

 


Yes i know what u mean, your saying that the Africans in the Middle East aren't middle east by Blood.......But still a citizen of the Middle East right?


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oops sorry for the double post.......


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Perhaps the men in the picture are Africans. It doesn't say anywhere that people from Africa can not be terrorists.
 

that makes sense because terrorism has no color after all.....


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