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Topic: Which is the strongest muslim country at Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 19:41 |
Why is it that in every poll I face with the Turkish-Greek wars? Why can't you guys get along? You guys have been friends for a loing time. There are also many cultural similarity. The traditional dresses, foods, and dances. You guys stop fighting and get along. Please surprise me.
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Antioxos
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:53 |
Ok guys back to the topic
Well i think that military the strongest muslim country is Turkey without be an expert ofcourse.
Pls be civilised guys (including me) dont take it personal its just a debate.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:47 |
that peace-keeping operation were usefull for greeks and Greece...Possibility of domestic war @ south cyprus between the Makarios's and Sampson's fanatics dissapeared from the sight,and our operation influanced Greece's junta to fall over...And of course we liberated Turks Of Cyprus,That Means that was a real peace-keeping operation against the caos @ south-east meditarrenaen,Really Flawless and Perfect operation...Like an exemple to keeping the peace lessons @ War Academy's...
Edited by EGETRK - 06-Oct-2006 at 15:51
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:41 |
Originally posted by Perseas
Originally posted by omergun
Originally posted by Mortaza
Mate, its clear you dont know anything about this subject. Everyone(england,usa,etc..) were on the side of greece on the Cyprus subject. They were all willing to give whole Cyprus to greeks, they never wanted Tόrkiye to interfere, but Tόrkiye did and was right
Infact It is you who have no idea about subject. At first world is supporting Turkey. After the fall of greek junta, and second attack of Turkish army this changed. Sorry but that turkey vs world and greece is utterly ridiculus.
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you do a bit research, get yourself a history teacher or professor, and then come back to me barking. I know that im true, if you dont agree you dont, thats it.
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This is a classic example of being disrespectfull towards another member and how not to conduct a debate in All Empires. You just got an official warning.
Now, this is a topic about the strongest muslim country at present as the title says and NOT another thread about the Cyprus conflict. Get back to the topic issue. |
This is not a way to conduct a debate, mortaza was the one who is being disrestpectful if you checked the last few posts of him, i dont think you are looking without prejudgments, it would be nicer if an admin could look more open. ive respect for everyone who has respect to me. And i didnt curse or something else. I seriously dont find this warning logical.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:31 |
Originally posted by omergun
Originally posted by Mortaza
Mate, its clear you dont know anything about this subject. Everyone(england,usa,etc..) were on the side of greece on the Cyprus subject. They were all willing to give whole Cyprus to greeks, they never wanted Tόrkiye to interfere, but Tόrkiye did and was right
Infact It is you who have no idea about subject. At first world is supporting Turkey. After the fall of greek junta, and second attack of Turkish army this changed. Sorry but that turkey vs world and greece is utterly ridiculus.
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you do a bit research, get yourself a history teacher or professor, and then come back to me barking. I know that im true, if you dont agree you dont, thats it.
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This is a classic example of being disrespectfull towards another member and how not to conduct a debate in All Empires. You just got an official warning.
Now, this is a topic about the strongest muslim country at present as the title says and NOT another thread about the Cyprus conflict. Get back to the topic issue.
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Mortaza
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:12 |
you do a bit research, get yourself a history teacher or professor, and then come back to me barking. I know that im true, if you dont agree you dont, thats it.
Well that is not realy a good argument. Infact this is not even argument.
and bark part is rude.
Edited by Mortaza - 06-Oct-2006 at 15:14
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:11 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Mate, its clear you dont know anything about this subject. Everyone(england,usa,etc..) were on the side of greece on the Cyprus subject. They were all willing to give whole Cyprus to greeks, they never wanted Trkiye to interfere, but Trkiye did and was right
Infact It is you who have no idea about subject. At first world is supporting Turkey. After the fall of greek junta, and second attack of Turkish army this changed. Sorry but that turkey vs world and greece is utterly ridiculus.
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I agree they lost the international support because they did exactly the same with Greek fascists.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:11 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Mate, its clear you dont know anything about this subject. Everyone(england,usa,etc..) were on the side of greece on the Cyprus subject. They were all willing to give whole Cyprus to greeks, they never wanted Trkiye to interfere, but Trkiye did and was right
Infact It is you who have no idea about subject. At first world is supporting Turkey. After the fall of greek junta, and second attack of Turkish army this changed. Sorry but that turkey vs world and greece is utterly ridiculus.
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you do a bit research, get yourself a history teacher or professor, and then come back to me barking. I know that im true, if you dont agree you dont, thats it.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:10 |
About the ethnic cleansing i always tell that the Greek state isn't so capable in cruelty compare it with the Turkish state The Turkish regime is an expert.
Infact she is. creete is a good example for both turkish cypriots and greek cypriots.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:08 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Antioxos
2nd The landing in Cyprus failed the operation was successful because there was not real Greek responce
The Turkish Liberation and Peace-keeping operation in Cyprus was one of te most succesfull millitary monouvers of the last quater of a century.
If was successfull because the Greeks totally underestimated the Turks, the Turks were very organised, their intellegence and logistics were very good and the Greek forces were neutrallised before they could start a long war.
Turkey bought Peace to the island, it was very obvious that Greeks had no intentions of living together with Turks in a United Cyprus, one only has to look into EOKA, the Enosis Plan, the Akritas Plan, Black Christmas, Greek Junta invasions and so on. Turkey separated the two waring communities and ever since there has been no fighting, so it was a successfull mission.
Antixos
Guys you are convinced for everything. In Cyprus in 1974 happen an ethnic cleansing
Oh here we go again, that classic syndrome of certain Greeks on the matter ofv
Cyprus, before 1974? You do realize that the History of Cyprus doesn't begin in
1974. Why don't we go into what happened before and what led up to 1974? EOKA, the Enosis Plan, the Akritas Plan, Black Christmas, Greek Junta invasions and massacres again Turkish Cypriot villagers etc
This attitude that Turks just woke up one day and said hey Mehmet lets go into Cyprus is ridiculous and far, far from the truth.
Antioxos
do i have to remind you who else did ethnic cleansing .
Greeks in Cyprus did from the 1960's to 1974 so how can you complain. |
Well i don t think that you really know what did happen in Cyprus in 1974.If you want i can remind you my source is Mehmet Ali Birand
If you calling the most succesfull military maneuvers of the last quarter of a century that they are shooting each other without enemy you have strange evaluation of facts.
About the good organization in the landing they lost all the communications the units lost conduct between them and all these without enemy.
Turkey bought isolation to the two communities in the island and is the only iron curtain that still exist in the Europe of freedom where the people cannot move freely.
I think you have to find a new definition for the word peace does not match with this situation.
About the ethnic cleansing i always tell that the Greek state isn't so capable in cruelty compare it with the Turkish state The Turkish regime is an expert.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:06 |
Mate, its clear you dont know anything about this subject. Everyone(england,usa,etc..) were on the side of greece on the Cyprus subject. They were all willing to give whole Cyprus to greeks, they never wanted Trkiye to interfere, but Trkiye did and was right
Infact It is you who have no idea about subject. At first world is supporting Turkey. After the fall of greek junta, and second attack of Turkish army this changed. Sorry but that turkey vs world and greece is utterly ridiculus.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:05 |
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 15:03 |
Originally posted by Antioxos
Originally posted by omergun
Originally posted by Antioxos
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Look, you sayed something wrong about korean war, and i only gave you an example of the trued. I didnt say that only this shows the strongness of Tόrkish Army. There are many examples after ww2 which shows it. Exactly what you are doing is propaganda. Cyprus showed especially a very good example of the strongness of Tόrkish Army. You trying to deny this, and also trying to deny the fact of the massacre greek army and terrors made before Tόrkish Army interfere, and saying that the conquering of Tόrkish Army in Northern Cyprus is not a peaceful operation is also propaganda. Pls be more honoust.
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Mate i can sure you that i m honest i m just saying that this terminology
about "peace operation" exist only in Turkey (the other world is using different terms about Cyprus if you dint realize it is your problem) .I m also say some facts about the military operation operation in Cyprus and i mention also a Turkish author Mehmet Ali Birand to read exactly what did happen in Cyprus and you are telling that i m doing propaganda The conclusion from what i m telling is that the Turkish army is not experience and is good in papers not in real battlefield
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Your other world is also the one who occured the WTC incident itself to get a false motive on iraq, your other world says it is against terrorism, except when it comes to pkk, european countries, example holland, supported this terrororganization, your other world would have killed all the armenians in a war when the armenians are working with the enemy, choosing their side and are making incidents which caused for thousands of Tόrkish innocent people, while the The Osmanlı Empire only drove them out of the land, your other world would have protested and meltdown the greeks for what they did in Cyprus before The Cyprus War, your other world is giving a fake-self-prepared english airport incident so much attention, but your other world doesnt care about the innocent people died in Lebanon, and your other world waited until israel won the war, which didnt happen and yet after this peaceful actions(leading actor: Tόrkiye) were made. Did i made myself clear, about how your other world does work? [/QUOTE]
Mate my the other world gave the right (especially Us) to Turkey to intervent to Cyprus.Exactly the same world gave the right o Israel killed innocent people in Lebanon.Anyway all the above is out off topic. [/QUOTE] Mate, its clear you dont know anything about this subject. Everyone(england,usa,etc..) were on the side of greece on the Cyprus subject. They were all willing to give whole Cyprus to greeks, they never wanted Trkiye to interfere, but Trkiye did and was right to it and had all the rights to do it, and got straight result. But after this, usa, england and all western turned their back on Trkiye, no country did any business with Trkiye for a while, thats one of the reasons our economy went down. But this is all they could do, closing relationships. They couldnt attack Trkiye and that shows the power of Trkiye
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 14:39 |
Originally posted by omergun
Originally posted by Antioxos
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Look, you sayed something wrong about korean war, and i only gave you an example of the trued. I didnt say that only this shows the strongness of Tόrkish Army. There are many examples after ww2 which shows it. Exactly what you are doing is propaganda. Cyprus showed especially a very good example of the strongness of Tόrkish Army. You trying to deny this, and also trying to deny the fact of the massacre greek army and terrors made before Tόrkish Army interfere, and saying that the conquering of Tόrkish Army in Northern Cyprus is not a peaceful operation is also propaganda. Pls be more honoust.
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Mate i can sure you that i m honest i m just saying that this terminology
about "peace operation" exist only in Turkey (the other world is using different terms about Cyprus if you dint realize it is your problem) .I m also say some facts about the military operation operation in Cyprus and i mention also a Turkish author Mehmet Ali Birand to read exactly what did happen in Cyprus and you are telling that i m doing propaganda The conclusion from what i m telling is that the Turkish army is not experience and is good in papers not in real battlefield
[/QUOTE] Your other world is also the one who occured the WTC incident itself to get a false motive on iraq, your other world says it is against terrorism, except when it comes to pkk, european countries, example holland, supported this terrororganization, your other world would have killed all the armenians in a war when the armenians are working with the enemy, choosing their side and are making incidents which caused for thousands of Tόrkish innocent people, while the The Osmanlı Empire only drove them out of the land, your other world would have protested and meltdown the greeks for what they did in Cyprus before The Cyprus War, your other world is giving a fake-self-prepared english airport incident so much attention, but your other world doesnt care about the innocent people died in Lebanon, and your other world waited until israel won the war, which didnt happen and yet after this peaceful actions(leading actor: Tόrkiye) were made. Did i made myself clear, about how your other world does work? [/QUOTE]
Mate my the other world gave the right (especially Us) to Turkey to intervent to Cyprus.Exactly the same world gave the right o Israel killed innocent people in Lebanon.Anyway all the above is out off topic.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 14:33 |
Maybe he is complaning because after 1974 It is turkey who made ethnic cleansing.
Greeks tried and failed. Turks tried and did.
Edited by Mortaza - 06-Oct-2006 at 14:34
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 14:30 |
Antioxos
2nd The landing in Cyprus failed the operation was successful because there was not real Greek responce
The Turkish Liberation and Peace-keeping operation in Cyprus was one of the most succesfull millitary monouvers of the last quater of a century.
If was successfull because the Greeks totally underestimated the Turks, the Turks were very organised, their intellegence and logistics were very good and the Greek forces were neutrallised before they could start a long war.
Turkey bought Peace to the island, it was very obvious that Greeks had no intentions of living together with Turks in a United Cyprus, one only has to look into EOKA, the Enosis Plan, the Akritas Plan, Black Christmas, Greek Junta invasions and so on. Turkey separated the two waring communities and ever since there has been no fighting, so it was a successfull mission.
Antixos
Guys you are convinced for everything. In Cyprus in 1974 happen an ethnic cleansing
Oh here we go again, that classic syndrome of certain Greeks on the matter ofv
Cyprus, before 1974? You do realise that the History of Cyprus doesn't begin in
1974. Why don't we go into what happened before and what led up to 1974? EOKA, the Enosis Plan, the Akritas Plan, Black Christmas, Greek Junta invasions and massacres again Turkish Cypriot villagers etc
This attitude that Turks just woke up one day and said hey Mehmet lets go into Cyprus is ridiculous and far, far from the truth.
Antioxos
do i have to remind you who else did ethnic cleansing .
Greeks in Cyprus did from the 1960's to 1974 so how can you complain.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 14:03 |
Originally posted by perikles
The most powerful muslin country is not supposed to be a super power. The most powerfull muslin country is weakest than many mediocre Europeans countries. I mean Dutch, Spain, Italy, Sweden which are not considered super powers are more strong than all the muslin countries (separatevely of course). |
This is again, totally wrong. None of those countries you've mentioned (except perhaps Sweden and to a lesser extent Italy) or Greece are particularly strong. Sweden is perhaps the strongest of the ones you mention. Muslim countries are stronger equipment wise than some of the countries on your list (if you exclude them from NATO).
Edited by TeldeInduz - 06-Oct-2006 at 14:07
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 13:02 |
So Turkey is right saying "peacefull operation" and the UN is wrong. This is a blacklist topic and we should not discussing that. After all we are offtopic. As i said whatever happened in Korea is 50 years ago. Nothing to be compared with today. Is this a fact that muslins counries are not the most powerfull of the world. But among them Egypt, Turkey and countriesl ike Indonesia and Iran (For which we don't have data) should not be considered minor powers.
The most powerful muslin country is not supposed to be a super power. The most powerfull muslin country is weakest than many mediocre Europeans countries. I mean Dutch, Spain, Italy, Sweden which are not considered super powers are more strong than all the muslin countries (separatevely of course).
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 13:00 |
Originally posted by Antioxos
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Look, you sayed something wrong about korean war, and i only gave you an example of the trued. I didnt say that only this shows the strongness of Tόrkish Army. There are many examples after ww2 which shows it. Exactly what you are doing is propaganda. Cyprus showed especially a very good example of the strongness of Tόrkish Army. You trying to deny this, and also trying to deny the fact of the massacre greek army and terrors made before Tόrkish Army interfere, and saying that the conquering of Tόrkish Army in Northern Cyprus is not a peaceful operation is also propaganda. Pls be more honoust.
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Mate i can sure you that i m honest i m just saying that this terminology
about "peace operation" exist only in Turkey (the other world is using different terms about Cyprus if you dint realize it is your problem) .I m also say some facts about the military operation operation in Cyprus and i mention also a Turkish author Mehmet Ali Birand to read exactly what did happen in Cyprus and you are telling that i m doing propaganda The conclusion from what i m telling is that the Turkish army is not experience and is good in papers not in real battlefield
[/QUOTE] Your other world is also the one who occured the WTC incident itself to get a false motive on iraq, your other world says it is against terrorism, except when it comes to pkk, european countries, example holland, supported this terrororganization, your other world would have killed all the armenians in a war when the armenians are working with the enemy, choosing their side and are making incidents which caused for thousands of Trkish innocent people, while the The Osmanlı Empire only drove them out of the land, your other world would have protested and meltdown the greeks for what they did in Cyprus before The Cyprus War, your other world is giving a fake-self-prepared english airport incident so much attention, but your other world doesnt care about the innocent people died in Lebanon, and your other world waited until israel won the war, which didnt happen and yet after this peaceful actions(leading actor: Trkiye) were made. Did i made myself clear, about how your other world does work?
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 12:43 |
[/QUOTE] Look, you sayed something wrong about korean war, and i only gave you an example of the trued. I didnt say that only this shows the strongness of Tόrkish Army. There are many examples after ww2 which shows it. Exactly what you are doing is propaganda. Cyprus showed especially a very good example of the strongness of Tόrkish Army. You trying to deny this, and also trying to deny the fact of the massacre greek army and terrors made before Tόrkish Army interfere, and saying that the conquering of Tόrkish Army in Northern Cyprus is not a peaceful operation is also propaganda. Pls be more honoust.
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Mate i can sure you that i m honest i m just saying that this terminology
about "peace operation" exist only in Turkey (the other world is using different terms about Cyprus if you dint realize it is your problem) .I m also say some facts about the military operation operation in Cyprus and i mention also a Turkish author Mehmet Ali Birand to read exactly what did happen in Cyprus and you are telling that i m doing propaganda The conclusion from what i m telling is that the Turkish army is not experience and is good in papers not in real battlefield
Edited by Antioxos - 06-Oct-2006 at 12:45
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