The Kargil Conflict

One of my friend who is Chechi Gujjar ( The gotra of Prithvi Raj Chauhan) from from Swat, N.W.F.P., has informed that there are more than 50,00,000 gujors in N.W.F.P alone. In Punjab Pakistan there is a huge population of Gujors that�s why in punjabi film industry every fifth film is about gujors.

These Gujjars were there since tenth century and still share the same Gotras with us. They are not Mahajirs who went there after 1947 but were ruling that area since the days of Imperial Gujjar Pratihars.

 

Originally posted by AP Singh Originally posted by TeldeInduz Dividing Pak up further wont make much difference. The big genetic differences are where the Sarawasti River is. Punjab is a difficut one, but I believe the Sarawasti ran through the middle of it, so it is perhaps also not a bad marker. But I'll agree Punjab should be fully incorporated into Pakistan and then that would be an even better natural border.   But why Saraswati for that matter. How many rivers flows through Pakistan. Based on this logic the people living on both sides of the banks of these rivers should have genetic differences and should be further divided.   If Punjab can be incorporated into Punjab of Pakistan ( Since it was divided) , why Pakistan can not be incorporated in India?

You are right Mr. Singh, telde has himself said earlier that the position on the sides of the durand line is also same, He will aslo agree with you on this river thing, To the north of these rivers is NWFP, which is of course very different genetically from the punjabi paki. There genetic make up is more aligned to the Afghans, thats what they are & as soon as the Afghan nation becomes more stable &they get some time (it will very shortly with help from the West, US & India ), they will come back to work on the unification of two genetically similiar people spread on both sides of the durand line.

To the south west of these rivers lies baloochistan, whose people had realised even before telde that they had a different genetic make up from the pakistanis, as they were staying on that side of the rivers, That's why they started their freedom struggle for independence from Pakistan,


If you look at sindhis closely, you will see that they are the most genetically different from this entire lot. Just a cursory glance at their physiques & appearance can make that out. They had also relaised long back this genetic difference & there were moveents for their independence, till they decided that it was better first to take advantage of the resources of the Punjab & develop Karachi into a world class city & Sindh into an economic powerhouse before going for full freedom.

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Dear Mr. AP Singh, Telde is right. The Indians & pakistanis are two distinct genes. The British were very scientifc people. In 1947, they foresaw that indians & pakistanis need to be separated  as much as possible. So they altered the genetic make of the whole population of the indian subcontinent. Another thing is that you have always claimed about the existence of Gurjars on the other side of the border, still sharing the same family names & history. But the historian in You is overlooking the scientist possibly, since you forget to mention that although they look same, have same names, history etc..., they now have a different gnetic make up than the Indian Gurjars, thanks to the 47 event.

Hi,

Dont get panicky. I agree with you. The thousands of years old family has to always agree to everything a 50 year young breakaway member says. To bring him back to his roots. 

Dear Mr. AP Singh,

Telde is right. The Indians & pakistanis are two distinct genes. The British were very scientifc people. In 1947, they foresaw that indians & pakistanis need to be separated  as much as possible. So they altered the genetic make of the whole population of the indian subcontinent.

Another thing is that you have always claimed about the existence of Gurjars on the other side of the border, still sharing the same family names & history. But the historian in You is overlooking the scientist possibly, since you forget to mention that although they look same, have same names, history etc..., they now have a different gnetic make up than the Indian Gurjars, thanks to the 47 event.

One thing is that India didnt pursue them was because it wanted to look like a champion of peace, thats why the flushing out the pakis took a couple of months. otherwise the better military tactic was to cut of the supplies of the pak army which indian dodnt do because it wanted a diplomatic win as well which it got.

The partition of India was most unfourtunate thing to happen. We  have artificial borders and not natural borders like mountains sea etc. Both side we are the same people except religion and the country. I hope that politicians of both the countries now will work toward peace and stop any kind of war including terrorism and that will help both the developing countries to grow at faster pace. The present situation is like a real brother is the biggest enemy of another real brother but friendly with other distant relatives.

Originally posted by maqsad But the deployment is not against professional armies, its against the civilian population...most of whom I suspect would want the Indians to leave permanently. And yes I know, they will say 700,000 troops are needed against the 50 or so shapeshifting jihadis that slip across the border every month.

You are right.  Same proportion as expenses of US & Eurpoe in Iraq & Afghanistan today, Israel's offensive against Hijbollah, or Russians in Chechnya. But they are needed.

And no, the Kashmiri would not want to go to Pak, On the contrary the Kashmiris living in POK would be happy to come to India.

Totally agree maqsad, I just think your numbers are a tad too high.