Early Türkish and Europan languages
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Topic: Early Türkish and Europan languages
Posted By: Orkon
Subject: Early Türkish and Europan languages
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 11:57
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Türkish and Europan languages not same origin,this languages haven't common word origins. Therefore,this words are how include English? Türkish 'Ot' , English 'Hot' it means in Türkish same Hot. Türkish 'Tepe' in Kazak 'Töbe' Kırgız 'Töpe' and other Turkic dialekts same ,English 'Top' same means. in Old Türkish 'Tilmaç' (Tilmach) means interpreter,translator, in German 'Dolmetscher' in this word now in Türkish 'Dilmaç' (Dilmach) How this explain? German and Türkish incoherent each other. This words and there are a lot of examples,in Early Türkish age include this languages? There are a lot of examples, for example in English 'Bargain' ,in Altaian Türkish 'Bargaan' , in English 'Drive' in Altaian Türkish 'Dirivle' etc... We (Türks) are not came in Anartolia in 1071,and Europe,Türks are camed Anatolia and Europe more early this lands.In Roman mythology Romus and Romulus brothers get suckle bye wolf,and same myth there are Türkish myth,Bozkurt. How are your opinions,this examples?
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 12:22
Very simple. It's just coincidence... 
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Posted By: Turkoglu
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2006 at 13:29
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due to Troyagen Theorie; after the war of Troy, 2 commander survived one went to europe (etructians) one went to central asia interensting subject. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2006 at 14:23
Oh no! Please tell me you are not implying what I think you are implying..? |
Posted By: finikis
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2006 at 21:38
in forum if u search u can find the answer..i can give the url. |
Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 00:15
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Tepe isn't turkish but persian. ------------- |
Posted By: Neoptolemos
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 01:29
Oh yes! I think he is implying what you think he is implying.. ------------- 
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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 01:39
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funny and silly idea. ------------- Anfører |
Posted By: Digenis
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 15:38
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This thread is for historical amusement. Or just for amusement ! |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 16:26
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My wonder is: those words are General Turkic or Anatolian Turk. In each case they may have differnet points of contact with IE languages: it is obvious that Anatolian Turks are descendant of Anatolian natives that now speak a Turkic language. Among the languages spoken in Ancient Anatolia, many were Indo-European: Greek, Luwian, Phrygian, Armenian, etc. Some loans can well have gone locally in Anatolia IE->Turk. In Central Asia, Turks also meddled with Indo Europeans, though, due to lack of written sources, it is less clear how. It's evident that what is now Turkestan used to speak Indo-European languages such as Scythian, Tocharian, etc. Some of these IE->Turk loans may have also happen in Central Asia therefore. Finally, Turkic peoples in many ways had an unclear but real influence over Eastern and Central European peoples: Huns, arguably Avars and Magyars, Tatars and finally even Ottoman Turks may have influenced some words in IE European languages, tough most likely not very basic ones. Finally there are theories that propose that Altaic, Uralic and Indo-European languages are all derived from a common source, along maybe other linguistic families (Siberian and Inuit in one theory and Afroasiatic and Dravidic in the other). Anyhow, a few words mean little. But if you manage to collect hundreds or thousands of them in a coherent system, you have probably a linguistic link. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 09:23
Can you prove it? |
Posted By: Raider
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 09:26
When you say European languages you mean Indo-European languages I suppose. But look these maps. Ba = Basque C = Celtic FU = Finno - Ugric G = Germanic I = Iberian IE = Indo European R = Romance S = Slavic U = Uralic
X = Unknown At the end of the ice age:
in 5 500 BC
In 3000 BC:
Present day:
Reference: http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/ - http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/ |
Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 06:31
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Maju didn't mean that the orriginal turkic-speakers were anatolians-he simply ment that original turkic speakers who conquered anatolians asimilated those anatolian natives, which spoke IE languages. Maybe u already knew this-and i misinterpreted your question...if so-sorry ------------- "It's better to be a billionair for a lifetime then to live in poverty for a week" Bob Rock |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 15:49
Well if he was referring to some of us then I see no problem. But claiming that modern people of Anatolia have no connection with Central Asia ethnically, is incorrect. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 16:33
Yes: look into the mirror and then look a pic of a Kazak or other steppary Turk, closer to what genuine Turks used to be genetically. You are a Hatti/Trojan/Tracian/Hittite/Phrygian/Lydian/Lycian/Galatian /Greek/Armenian/other that speaks Turk. -------------
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 16:38
| The ones who live in Central Asia are not Oghuz Turks, so it's only natural that I look different from them. |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 16:40
| Oghuz Turks don't have that wide eyes, I think you will speak about this feature. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 17:10
Must I say that I disagree with this Refrew-ist shceme? Very beautifully put but wrong. U area would probably be Caucasic (except the north that is only lately colonized). Equally Anatolia and maybe the Balcans would also speak those "Caucasic" languages probably. IE was only in the easternmost corner of Europe... but well. -------------
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Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 17:17
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Better yet-look at the photo of Mehmet Okur http://www.memo13.com/index.asp - http://www.memo13.com/index.asp
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Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 17:41
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As far as topic concerned, it's just a coincidance, there is no real connection between Indo EU and Uralic-Altaic languages other than intermixing via loaned words. As for Anatolia, It's funny when people say there is no Turkic genes in Turkey.So those people conquered themselves by using title Turk dear maju? do you think Gagauz, most of Tatars or Bulgar Turks looked like CA Turks? Read some more about what Western and Eastern Turk is. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 17:50
I don't say there are NO Turkic genes... but they are just symbolic. -------------
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 17:52
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Symbolic? Such as 1% or something?
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 17:53
And for the sake of it, as I made it, here is my own theory of European laguages: Of course it's just a reconstruction. Grey are "others" by the way. White areas were basically desert or there's no data about humans at that time. -------------
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Posted By: minchickie
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2006 at 08:30
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When you say European languages you mean Indo-European languages I suppose. But look these maps. Ba = Basque C = Celtic FU = Finno - Ugric G = Germanic I = Iberian IE = Indo European R = Romance S = Slavic U = Uralic
X = Unknown At the end of the ice age:
in 5 500 BC
In 3000 BC:
Present day:
Reference: http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/ - http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/ [/QUOTE]
Hungarian in my opinion is NOT a Finno Ugriac language but Altai-Uralic language. This Finno concept is dying fast! This was never true to begin with! ------------- 
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2006 at 19:30
Less than 10% - probably less than 5%. -------------
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Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2006 at 20:08
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how can you be so sure, can you explain? Not that I deny Greek,Hitit,Trojan,Sumer genes as you mentioned but how accurate is saying Turkic genes are less than 5%? I'd go for 50% at least  |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2006 at 20:18
 Is that your face? Does it look to you "Turkic"? If you'd say "Swedic" maybe...
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2006 at 20:19
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Anyhow, this has been discussed in other topics: neither Anatolian Turks nor Azerbaijani Turks are genetically very diferent from their neighbours nor show any particular intensity of genetic "incrustations" of Central Asian or Siberian origin.
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Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2006 at 20:28
 Is this you? you don't look much basque from here!anyways, Turk of Anatolia are descendants of Oguz Turks(Western branch of Turkic people) and they didn't look like CA Turks.I'm not mongloid as Oguz Turks were not either! you still didn't answer where do you get your figures? Noone has knocked on my door yet and examin my DNA. . |
Posted By: Hushyar
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 02:02
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erci I'm glad that every year you make a great discovery, last time I know you ,you were a Laz, and now you found that you are a pure oguz turk, congradulation.
yes the same as frenchs, people of Peru and Mexico are descendants of Latium conquerers. that's a psycological problem.every body prefer to be descendant of a Turkman warrior not a clever fat greek who choose Islam and Turkish language for benefiting himself and his family or a coarse Anatolian dwellers (like Lazes!!!!) who found that speaking turkish and accepting Islam is a better way for communication than Greek language and orthodox christian. Thats an epidemic problem, In korea every body have a ancestoral chart that proves that he belongs to a yangban family in Choseon times, all of jews believed that they are sons of Israel.Arabs think that they are sons of Qahtan or Ismael, In United states people are descendants of Miflower ship or those who settled in virginia in 1609.This list can be continued to infinity. real and pure oguz at the moment are living in Turkmanistan and northeastern part of Iran.I don't know about Anatolian peoples so If you say you are like tham , yes you are right.but Azeries are not like them, and it is very strange for me that how people of Anatolia could be more pure turks than Turks of Iran. funny problem is that except time of sassanaid and also recent years , population of Anatolia was always higher than Iran. If people of Anatolia are 90% pure turks then Kurds and Armenian must be 95 % pure turks and Iranian must be 99 % and people of Khorasan (in both Iran and afghanistan) must be 110 % pure turks. so why it is not so?(believe me there has never been a turkish genocide by persian or afghan chuvenists in khorasan) just a question? do you have any estimation of number of Turkman migration from central Asia to Anatolia and at the same time number of origianal residents in Anatolia in the time of saljuq conquests.just a clue according to persian history books in malazgard number of turkmans were between 15000 to 35000 soldiers,(different sources), and considering that every mature nomad male was a soldier too, I think it is possible to have a basic estimation of real population of them at that time. Although it is clear to me this discution in the end will lead to mutual insultions (like all of the other times in these few years) and eventualy this discussion will be locked, but I,m still are not satisfied what makes people of Turkey so different from people of Iraq, Iran, India, Egypt, Syria, lebanon, Greece, France, Spain, Mexico, Brazil,........., why you are so pure,so chosen, like a diamond,(was it not because you MUST be pure, because you BELIEVED to be pure,because you MUST be from warriors race) I would be thankful if after trying your sense of humor or sarcastic comments on me (which will be accepted with ultimate pleasure) , somebody gave a completely invincible reason to end this discussion for ever, and end the doubts of ignorants like me.
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 05:12
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Hushyar would you agree with me if id say "saying pure Aryan from Iran is the same as saying pure Turk(ic) from Turkey"? Also hushyar the numbers of Turkic soldiers in malazgirt may be true, but you must know Pechenegs did changed from side (from byz. to selj.) during that war. Migration of Turkic people into anatolia is actually done by Timur, during Ankara battle. ------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/DayI/2006-03-17_164450_bscap021.jpg - |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 07:43
I thought your language was indo european but i guess Arabs and turks did change alot of things in Iran.read what i posted again |
Posted By: Hushyar
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 07:50
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Hushyar would you agree with me if id say "saying pure Aryan from Iran is the same as saying pure Turk(ic) from Turkey"? very good, actually I intentionally omitted this aryan race issue of Iran, very good.. this aryan race stuff is a joke that was invented by some Iranian nationalist mostly from Azerbaijan which later became the teoricians of Pahlavi dynasty and It is word by word translation of that pure turkic race Issue. Iran is much more racially diverse than Anatolia and expecting that they are all from Aryan race is just a joke.And about percentage of Aryan blood, you could judge when aryan tribes came Iran (they were nomadic and even until 6 century B.C they were still semi nomad), Iran was an Agricultural region and it is completely clear that original inhabitants were far much more numerous than these new comers, we Iranian were Aryanized , not Aryan race.
Also hushyar the numbers of Turkic soldiers in malazgirt may be true, but you must know Pechenegs did changed from side (from byz. to selj.) during that war. yes Pechengs, pechengs at that time driven by kumans into the Balkans and some of them fighting with byzantians and some of them were their allies, ok what was number of them, and those came Anatolia to help Byzanthian Army , I don't think it will make so much difference, and don't forget your language is oguz while pechengs must be (I just guess) something related to Qipchaqs...
Migration of Turkic people into anatolia is actually done by Timur, during Ankara battle. well let me classify the migration of Turks to Anatolia (and from Anatolia)in 5 time scale: 1)during saljuqs , which is clear and has been recorded in the all history books, and excatly at that time we have presence of turks in Azarbaijan, Aran and Fars, and also Khorasan, 2)Mongol Invasion, well actually Rumi Saljuqs successfully defeated those turkish tribes that were allies of Jalaleddin and after mongols came to anatolia , Rum Saljuqs could preserve their indepence, and it is unllikely they let so much turkmen migrate to Anatolia. 3)collapse of Ilkhanids and establishments of Qazi borhaneddin, chubanians, jalayereids,...at that time some turkmens came from azerbaijan to Anatolia and mosul region and some went back. 4)Teymur, actually there were very fierece fighting between Qara quyunlu's (qara yusef) and Teymur army, although Turkmen tribes of Anatolia helped Teymur to defeat the othmans, but I don't think they let him to deliver their lands and goverments to those newcomers from central Asia and What proves that is that Teymur stablished the same Anatolian Turkic kingdom, that Bayazid abolished. 5) 15th century : Qara Quyunlus and Aq Quyunlus and Safavids, Actually at that time turkmens migrated from Anatolia to Iran, like Bayondor Tribe, Shamlu, Stajlu, Rumlu,..
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Posted By: Hushyar
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 07:59
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well I answered this issue in my previous post, and about Arabs and Turks yes they changed many things, but not Aryans not Arabs not turks couldn't change that dramatical changes that is in your mind. I don't think they could do it in Anatolia , too. And I have read your post, but it seems that you didn't get what I said. |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 08:03
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I did, I literraly meant Turks of Anatolia not just myself
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Posted By: Hushyar
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 08:17
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well my point was that those turks in Anatolia maybe are your relatives than turkmens, (I think they more resemble you than turkmens) their ancestors might prefered to speak Turkish than Laz or other anatolian languages. an irrevelant question that you have no obligation to answer: do you know Lazian and if you know it how it is similar to georgian? |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 10:06
Also hushyar the numbers of Turkic soldiers in malazgirt may be true, but you must know Pechenegs did changed from side (from byz. to selj.) during that war. yes Pechengs, pechengs at that time driven by kumans into the Balkans and some of them fighting with byzantians and some of them were their allies, ok what was number of them, and those came Anatolia to help Byzanthian Army , I don't think it will make so much difference, and don't forget your language is oguz while pechengs must be (I just guess) something related to Qipchaqs...
Migration of Turkic people into anatolia is actually done by Timur, during Ankara battle. well let me classify the migration of Turks to Anatolia (and from Anatolia)in 5 time scale: 1)during saljuqs , which is clear and has been recorded in the all history books, and excatly at that time we have presence of turks in Azarbaijan, Aran and Fars, and also Khorasan, 2)Mongol Invasion, well actually Rumi Saljuqs successfully defeated those turkish tribes that were allies of Jalaleddin and after mongols came to anatolia , Rum Saljuqs could preserve their indepence, and it is unllikely they let so much turkmen migrate to Anatolia. 3)collapse of Ilkhanids and establishments of Qazi borhaneddin, chubanians, jalayereids,...at that time some turkmens came from azerbaijan to Anatolia and mosul region and some went back. 4)Teymur, actually there were very fierece fighting between Qara quyunlu's (qara yusef) and Teymur army, although Turkmen tribes of Anatolia helped Teymur to defeat the othmans, but I don't think they let him to deliver their lands and goverments to those newcomers from central Asia and What proves that is that Teymur stablished the same Anatolian Turkic kingdom, that Bayazid abolished. 5) 15th century : Qara Quyunlus and Aq Quyunlus and Safavids, Actually at that time turkmens migrated from Anatolia to Iran, like Bayondor Tribe, Shamlu, Stajlu, Rumlu,..
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Posted By: Orkon
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 10:41
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Tepe is Türkish not farsi,and Farsi include about 4500-5000 Türkish word. -------------
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Posted By: Hushyar
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 11:43
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as far as i remember Qipchaqs are a branch of Oghuz tribe too. don't say that plz Qipchaqs Qerqizes Bashkirs Tatars of Volga and....old Kumans they are all Qipchaq and actually are different with oguz, oguzes are very near with Uighurs and also Uzbaks (or Uzbeks). you can read an Uzbek text and then compare it with Qerqiz or Qazaq, check an encyclopedia like Encarta or Britanica.
There whas a even a small migration into anatolia during the Huns and volga bulgars (circa 2th - 6th century) in nowadays city Kars (wich has bulgar lang. origin or exactly old Turkic origin) in Turkey (eastern). Huns appeared in the 4th century in the European Continent by defeating Alans and The Estrogoths , some of them later were used by Byzanthian emperors as merceneries and even Blizarius have Hun soldiers. In cacausia there were some fortification that sassanaids have built and Byzanthian usually helped them financially to block The Alans and Huns raids and as far as I know not Huns nor Alans never passed from these fortifications.Some of them have remained in cacausia today, I have seen one of them in republic of Azerbaijan. The first time that this wall is broken was in time of Istemi khaqan of western Gokturks that they raided Aran , Armenia and maybe Azarbaijan. but that was a raid and I don't think It could have any significant effect of population. in the 6th and 7th century khazars many times raided Aran , but I have never heard that they have reached Anatolia. Bulghars in Anatolia???Volga Bolghars???? I have never heard that , any source? QARS I think it must be an Armenian name, but because I have no knowledge in Old Armenian (and also old Turkish) I can not say anything about it. |
Posted By: Hushyar
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 11:46
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry but how did you find that number? tappeh is an Iranic word (not just persian). |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 12:35
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 13:48
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Yes, the Sassanian fortification, Darband (Derbent) in Dagestan is well preserved, reminds me a little of Falak e Aflak in Lorestan.
Tappeh is an Iranian word my friend. We have Turkish words in Iranian languages, but nothing like 5000 or whatever figure you stated. ------------- |
Posted By: Jay.
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 13:52
There are some Turkish words in the Serbian language.  ------------- Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava Only Unity Can Save the Serb |
Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 14:34
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Well, as far as I know, there is no linguistic connection between
turkic and european language. As turkic speakers know very well, turkic
language has a rule called vowel harmony, which clears which word is
turkic or not. Therefore, technically, it's imposible to declare a word
that is NOT suitable for vowel harmony as a turkic or a common word. As for the examples, "Tilmaç" is not turkic word because of vowel harmony. (besides according to turkish language society, there is no word called Tilmaç, it's Dilmaç, but it's not clear that the suffix -maç is turkic. Most probably it's fabricated by turkish language society during turkish language reform in 1920's.) Ot in turkish means: grass, herb, weed, fodder, filled or made with straw. Hot in English means: very warm; spicy; fresh, with excitement, enthusiastically The relation "Tepe" and "Top". What can I say, it sounds like the sun language theory, bullsh*t. Bargain, bargaan, etc.... BTW: Persian has not 5000 turkic word, on the contrary Turkish has 3000+ persian word. BTW2: tepe is clearly turkic. |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 14:41
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and top is also clearly turkic, or at least turkish.
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Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 14:47
| it is turkish top :P |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 14:53
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 14:54
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isnt azeris so turks also iranian? Maybe we should also use anatolian thing, so we can claim half of Europea and middle east. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 15:01
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I meant Iranian as in belonging to the linguistic group, not the nationality. DayI, I think dagh will be the Turkish one. ------------- |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 15:13
no they are not.Tepe is top of the dagh (hill) |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 15:25
| it's hard to distinguish whether it's turkic or Iranic but better definiton for hill or top in Turkish would be "doruk" not tepe. |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 15:31
on the other hand tepe isn't used only by Turks in Turkey but all Turkic languages at least in ones I've checked. 
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 15:44
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Doruk, isnt it highest point of a tepe or dag?
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 16:06
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That can be explained erci, Central Asia was more Persian language and culture influenced than Turkey. ------------- |
Posted By: merced12
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 16:18
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tepe,dag turkish word.i looked tdk. ------------- http://www.turks.org.uk/ - http://www.turks.org.uk/ 16th century world; Ottomans all Roman orients Safavids in Persia Babur in india `azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim`` |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 16:52
actually it depends on how you look at it.If you think tepe and dag have the same meaning, then yes, doruk is the highest point.If you look over tepe as the top of the mountain then doruk is just the right word for it. Binanin tepesi (top of the building) + Binanin doruklari (same meaning but can't be used as a definition) - I still think Tepe and Dag are different words, tepe is more like a mound(Hoyuk) |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 17:18
I avoided Central Asia as you are right and focused more on Crimea and Gagauzia what are the differences between kuh, Gor/Gori/Gar and Gholle in Persian? |
Posted By: Orkon
Date Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 11:55
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There are 1.100 or 1.200 irani word in Türkish,sorry i was be wrong,in iranian include 1.000 or 1.200 Türkic origin word. For evample in irani : Yawash Yawash (slow slow) this is Türkisk word, İn İranî : Bagh (Bağ) this is Türkish word, means vineyard,but İranians new word make this word = Baghche (bağçe) and Baghcha come back Türkish Bahçe (Bahche) and Farsi = Baghchebân (in Türkish Bahchywan) There are a lot of common words,i writed this to know,not to discussion. For example in Farsi ' Gûl ' means flower, but in Türkish it means rose 'Gül' İn Türkish include some Farsi appendix,for example ; in Farsi ' Xane ' (khane) it means home, İn Türkish is appendix , for example Buzhane (ice house) Hastahane (hospital) , Kahvehane (coffe house) Terzihane (tailor house), Yemekhane (dining hall) , Yatakhane (dormitory) etc... For example; Farsi 'dar' in farsi 'Dariden' (hold i think ? ) Defterdar , Haberdar ( i dont know english, in farsi maybe Peyam dar ? )etc... In Türkish ,Farsi 'dan' Çaydanlık (Çay : Chay:tea -dan and Türkish appendix -lik ) (kettle) İn Türkish Cüzdan (cüz : part,fragment etc. and dan) Czüdan:Wallet Can you write in Farsi,Türkic word or appendix? I'm interested in Linguistic. -------------
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Posted By: Tangriberdi
Date Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 12:40
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Yeah sure!!! And qishlaamishi kardan qishlaaq, qonduz, qishqiriq paydaa kardan, qashow, aachaar, qu and many more I can write are all Persian. You are right 100%. Tepe in Turkish Töpe and Töbe in Central Asian Turkic dialects and Tappa in Persian are all of Turkic orgin. Tepe is a small mountain it is HILL in English and DAGH in Turkish spoken in Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan TAGH TAW and TOO in Turkic languages spoken in Uzbekistan Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzistan all means MOUNTAIN. Tepe is hill Dagh is mountain. We can trace the word DAGH back to the Orkhun scripts. It is Turkic.
You are wrong. It is. Its original form is Tilmeç, Tilmaç is a later form of the original word. Just like Anne( mother) its original form is Ana, just like Elma whose original form is Alma and kardesh whose original form is kardash and in earlier times it was karindash, which means sharing the same womb.
Yavaash is Turkic Bagh (baaq), baghche(baaqcha) and bahchivan/bağban(baaqchavaan/baaqbaan) are all Iranian words. Turks did not know the vineyard before coming to the Middle East. Yes we Turks should defend our culture and civilization but while doing this we should be logical . if not we will sound funny.
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