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Koguryo was quite powerful. I once read that its standing army numbered about 50,000 and could expand to 300,000. Supposedly it was a heavily militarized society. At its height is controlled half of the peninsula as well as much of Manchuria.

When Shilla and China (I forget the Dynasty) attacked Bakjae, why wouldn¤Ô¤±¤Í¤½ Koguryo come to its aid? Certainly they had to know Shilla and China would then come after them next.

Finally, after Bekjae fell, what did Kogyruo do to defend it self?

Yungaesomun's brother and sons fought for power.. and the 2 losers took territory and each gave to Tang and Silla.. thats pretty big..

under chinese standards, koguryo was not powerful at all. the tang army was consisted of over a million well-trained and experienced soldiers and could expand to several millions probably if needed, and at its height, it controlled a vast area of china proper, manchuria, mongolia, central asia, and vietnam. its power stretched all the way into the middle east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Sui_Wars" title="Goguryeo-Sui Wars - Goguryeo-Sui Wars

In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/598" title="598 - 598 the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_Dynasty" title="Sui Dynasty - Sui Dynasty of China, provoked by Goguryeo military offensives in the Liaodong region, attacked Goguryeo in the first of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Sui_Wars" title="Goguryeo-Sui Wars - Goguryeo-Sui Wars . In this campaign, as with those that followed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/612" title="612 - 612 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613" title="613 - 613 , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/614" title="614 - 614 , Sui met with defeat. These costly and disastrous engagements contributed significantly to the fall of the Sui Dynasty in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/618" title="618 - 618 .

The campaign of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/598" title="598 - 598 also provided Goguryeo, and modern Korea, with one of its great national heros: the general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulji_Mundeok" title="Eulji Mundeok - Eulji Mundeok , who led the Sui troops into a trap outside of Pyongyang, ensuring their retreat during which they were decimated. Chinese histories record that of the over 300,000 Sui troops that crossed into Goguryeo in 598, less than 3,000 returned to China.

tang's army was consisted of over a million well-trained and experienced soldiers stationed across the empire. i mean in the time of war, its population could easily expand its manpower to several millions as that was the avialibility of manpower based on its vast population.

Yo, Sino, I think Gubook Janggoon has won this battle.  You asked for his source and he btch-slapped you with most elementary source in the net.  And when he asked for your source, all you could do was repeat yourself.  But it's alright, I do admire your national pride.  Just to remind you though, it not the Koreans you should feel bitter towards.  It's  not the Koreans who did the Rape fo Nanking or Unit 731, baby.  It's not the Korean architects who tried to sneak in Japanese flag symbolism into new World Financial Center design in Shanghai.  All Asians have commom pain  and common enemy in our blood, and it doesn' t spell out Korea, come on.  Direct your frustration/anger to where it belong.

And for Gubook Janggoon, I remember reading a book about a General named Go Seon Ji when I was a child.  The way I remember he was a Koguryeo refugee became a great general under Tang dynasty and led Tang's expansion towards west, possibly going over Himalayas and even reached India and Persia.  What do you know about this?  If I'm right, how important was Go Seon Ji in Tang's history? Did they call him by different name?  You seems like the man to ask.  Keep up the good work, bro!    

we never felt bitter to anybody, including japs. they could do those things because they were stronger, it's normal. it's also normal that we are going to do some similar things to them in the future. lol. now they are lucky their daddy american is still here. but daddy can't protect you forever. lol.

as for korea, it's not you didn't want to do so, it's you were not able to do so.

i didn't ask for his sources. for any dynasties or even fedual states in china, an army of over a million men is quite usual. the battle of red cliff was already involved with over a million men, and that was just one battle.

the standards for being civilized, and the world order are based upon power. whoever has the power, whoever has the say. yes, even today, many chinese consider korea as a small asian country between major powers. and to many chinese, the japanese who do not recognize their past war crimes or try to make what they did in ww2 legitimate are to be punished. such a punishment might not be carried out in the way of war, but economically, politically, or socially.

this world is a big jungle indeed. i just said the truth, no need to be hypocritical.