Iran Israel Alliance
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Topic: Iran Israel Alliance
Posted By: aryavaeja
Subject: Iran Israel Alliance
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 12:03
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Hi there, I think Jew and persian should in the futur unite against the arabian-Islamic ocupation in Middle east. what do you think? Shalom, bar dorood |
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Posted By: Richard XIII
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 12:09
are you crazy man
------------- "I want to know God's thoughts... ...the rest are details." Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 12:35
I bet this topic will be closed very soon @Aryavaega: We were allied, & I think Israel was best allied of Iran. in my openion: I don't like Islam but I disgree to be alied against other people. ------------- |
Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 16:03
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I think Israel could be alleid with Iran as well in future, why not? ME is a labil area and i have nothing against a good and stabil ally. ------------- |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 16:21
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Yeah...
------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
)Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 16:24
What do I think? I can't prove it, but I think you are an Iranian. 
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 16:29
Wow, we are Great Allies Iran: We can put Israel in 'eternal coma' Iran threatens again:
Iran's Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said Wednesday that the
country and its allies could put Israel "in an eternal coma," like that
of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, if Israel attempts to attack the Muslim
republic. "Israel does not have the courage to attack Iran, and if it commits such a big mistake, the defenders of Islamic Iran will put Israel in an eternal coma like Sharon," he said in a television appearance. Najjar, who branded the United States and Israel as "the great and little Satan, who are using psychological war to intimidate Iran," was responding to recent by Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz, who said Israel may attack Iran if diplomatic measures to neutralize its nuclear armaments efforts fail.
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Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 16:52
Arabian islamic vs Persian islamic+Jewish Israel.....or arabian islamic+Persian islamic+Nukes vs Israel+Nukes Which is more likely?I think you know the answer (by the way if anyone is offended by my expression persian islamic or arabian islamic, I am not trying to offend you) ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 16:59
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Land of Aryan, it's so interesting to me to see the
views on Islam from a people who were, in many ways, a greater, wealthier, and more powerful nation before it was introduced. I suppose the Persian perspective isn't unique, but I had never really thought of it in that way before. I associate it mainly with the Ottoman Empire and, specifically in Bosnia, we certainly ended up as a greater, wealthier, and more powerful nation. The advantages for us far outweighed the disadvantages so when I look back on history I have no regrets that Islam was introduced, there's nothing greater my people have to look back on a daydream about. It must be sssooo different for a Persian? Anyhow, as for Israel and Iran...hmmm...being allies, why not? Being allies as a means of satisfying Jewish extremists in their blood lust against Arabs is as bad as what the government of Iran currently is, only for the other side. But I see no reason why they couldn't be allies, with shared common interests and a trade relationship and embassies and all that crap. ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:16
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National Arabic unity must be created inmediately to resist such a
menace. Two fundi nations with nuclear power! Horror! Free Saddam,
revive Nasser or give all Arabia to Ghadafi or the Syrians... Anything
but that! Thank you.
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NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:24
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israel and iran will be allies in the future, and that is a move i support and pray that will happen.
ISRAEL AND IRAN!!!!! ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:26
most iranians hate islam now, and if given the chance, most would probably convert to bahai'ism. and iranian israeli alliance is realistic in the future once the mullahs are gone. and trust me, and iranian arab alliance will never happen. if it was gonna happen it would have happened by now. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:28
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Bahai'ism is liberalism for religon. i remember my teacher saying "Do you not agree that we basically believe in the same thing." Umm no. I dont worship Sheeva or Zeus, neither does a worshiper of Sheeva or Zeus worship God. This country is so sexually obsessed with 'diversity' its pathetic. |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:32
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bahaism became a religion over 100 years ago, during strict islamic rule! i hardly thing its liberal, its more like christianity is today.
------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:33
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Yes I am familiar with its orgins, and I appreciate it. It's just these liberal types that bug me and say things like that. It's so terrible for them to think that religions are different and that there are different gods worshiped.
I appologize, i didnt mean to say it is crap, i 'll edit |
Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:34
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Look at today's Iran's so called allys: Syria! Palestina! Iran support them with money and they side against Iran! We don't need such allys, no thanks. I hope we get ride of Mullahs very soon and in fact Israel will be Iran's best ally. ------------- |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:40
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iran keeps helping these arab countries out (more than they help each other out) but what does iran get in return? nothing, infact, not even a thank you. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 17:47
Why can't you accept realities? ● Iran is Islamic in a far more radical way than the Arabic countries. ● Iran is ruled by Iranians, not Arabs. ● Even if you get rid of Mullahs (which is very unlikely in near future), you can't be allies with Israel. |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:02
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we were allies with israel during the shahs time...
and there is no question that israel would love to have iran as an ally, because there are several high ranking iranian jews in israeli politics, all the way up to sharons cabinet. and all iran needs is a secular government. and sorry to break the news to you, but most iranians dont care about the whole palestinian issue. only the religous fanatics do (which are the minority, they only make up like 15-20% of the country)
------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:06
No, ISlamic Iranian vs Israel + USA + UK, All+Nukes @Mill: if I want answer & write my all opinions. The topic direction will be changed to Arbia desert, Nationalism war, & at last smoe people will be banned in essence, for us it was 95% disadvantages maybe 5% advantages. Check the Iran history, you'll find you answer. We were one of the Most powerful, Advanced civlization on the ancient day beside Chinese & Romans. attacked by some Desert nomads. Mohammad said worship one god. But we were worshiping one god at least since 1200years before him. Mohammad said don't lie, steal, rape. But we didn't do that at least since 1200years before him. search for women workers in Persepolis. They had dayoff for childbirth, more salary than men & so there were some female foreman. after 1000 years Mohammad understand & said don't grave your girl!!!! At Sassanid empire men after marrage hadn't right to marry other woman. But Mohammad's custom, 4 wives!! Cyrus the Great declared every one is free to choose own religion. But 1200 years later, Arabs said convert or get money or left your lands!! & they have funny words of "LA Ekrah fe aldin= Religion isn't Compulsory" if you dare to Encounter swords &&& Mila, do you find your answer?? It wasn't Offensive to ANYONE just answer to Mila, PLEASE don't change topic way. ------------- |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:09
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iran does not need islam and it has never needed islam. islam has only taken us backward. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:12
We were during Shah that arabs didn't like & so You have forgoten that Israel president is an Iranian from Iazd ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:15
@Mila: another Evidence
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:23
  Khatami & Bush & Katsav
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:25
Are you living on Mars? OMG!
Isn't it clear that I was talking about the future by this sentence? aryavaeja, don't think I forget you. Now, I am even more convinced that you are actually an Iranian. |
Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:34
Well, firstly I am not convinced about the whole Iranians not liking islam since they elected Ahmedinecad, and one more thing, those mullahs are Iranians. So Ahmedinecad=mullah, but Ahmedinecad was elected by the Iranians By the way, according to the Turkish newspapers here Ahmedinecad made a statement saying Israel should be wiped out, and I belive newspapers are partly reliable sources. So the future you are talking about is a quite distant one http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/3747515.asp?gid=0 - http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/3747515.asp?gid=0 , http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/3629118.asp - http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/3629118.asp , http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/3791003.asp - http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/3791003.asp These links are taken from a famous Turkish newspaper, unfortunately it's Turkish one link says how Ahmedinecad says he is hoping for the death of Ariel Saron, the other on how he denied the holacaust, and the last one is the part I mentioned above.(I'm sorry, these are Turkish sites, but ask any turkish forum member, they would be glad to translate them for you if you remain unsatisfied) ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:35
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Aryan a very good point my friend. Despite all balefullness and afflictions Iranians suffered during islamic times i think people of Iran has the right to choose to be Muslims or not to be muslims. Trying to bann Islam is ridiculous. I vote for religious freedom. ------------- |
Posted By: aryavaeja
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:36
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I'm an Iranian Jew, You should know that Israeliens did not forget Cyrus the great when he made free jews from Babylone. Jews and persians need to help each other against the islamic terrorist and predomiance. Most of the persians are agnotist now and reject islam... Jews are waiting for a democratic Iran. |
Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:45
Says who?You know having an Islamist government is not the only problem, there are small details such as women's rights.
------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:45
Iranian or not Iranian, When you answer the topics, Do you first check the Forumers race??!! Stick to topic ------------- |
Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:46
"Ahmadinejad was elected by Iranians" , are you sure? it is true, that a minority of extremists have voted for him, but the election suffered under cheats, many votes were disappeared in Nirvana. Ahmadinejad and a few other Mullah's servants like him were the only candidates on the election's list, all other were banned, so what do you expect? All Iranians have known Ahmadinejad will win, becouse the revolutions leader wanted so. Sorry but i can't call this election. In a free and democracy election would Ahmadinejad have no chance. ------------- |
Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:47
Says who?Being muslim and an Islamist government is not the only problem. There are small issues such as women's rights... ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:47
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@Aryavaeja: Welcome to AE Nice to meet another Iranian ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:47
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such a move i would support if the israelis started treating the palestinians like human beings and supported them for a betetr and more prosporous future. And i don't think they should form an alliance "against" anyone, more to make the region peaceful and stable. ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:50
We don't live in Switzerland
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:55
Who had that right?? Arab swords?? Who are Parsis in India?? We are sons of Cyrus the Great, yes, religion freedom, ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 18:59
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ok let's get one thing clear, ahmadinezhad was elected by 60% of a 56% turnout and he was elected on economic issues for the poor, not his foreign or islamist policies. ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:03
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& Sepah Pasdaran Enghlab Eslami (Militia of rev.)ostamble();
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Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:07
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Thanks Zagros. I still can't forget what The Guardian wrote: "Ahmadinejad was elected by Iranians" Perhaps i am very sensitive, but i always get pissed off if someone who knows nothing about Iran judg us like that. ------------- |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:12
This is too much...
You should do what you suggest. aryavaeja's nationality is directly related to the topic. He should have said that he is an Iranian Jew. Because aryavaeja was trying to say: "and there is no question that israel would love to have iran as an ally..." just like prsn41ife. aryavaeja and prsn41ife are very similar to each other. Interesting... |
Posted By: aryavaeja
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:25
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LOL the region peaceful and stable? Never . Islam is not a peaceful religion. Arabians are everywhere in middle east: Syria, Liban, Iran ,Palestine, Pakistan.... THIS IS THE WAR ! |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:30
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@Aryavaeja: Pleaseee.... & read AE Rules ------------- |
Posted By: aryavaeja
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:33
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LOL Persian situation is worst than Israel. you have no more identity in this world. No ones know who you are and see your history as a past. From 1400 years now persians are on Islamic domination. Islam is not a peaceful religion. arabian are everywhere in Middle east : Iran, Palestine, Liban, Syria... so they must let Persian and jew alone. Peace is a word who do not exist in the middle dictionary. |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:37
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If your "peace" requires the complete and total extermination or even
domination of another people, Arya, you don't deserve to have it. ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:41
It seems we haven't Intellectual argument here
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Posted By: aryavaeja
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:46
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LOL, you are confused. Israel is a small country in middle east. Arabian dominated all the ME. Who kill men and women in Iran? answer: arabian (palestinian, libanian...). Domination is part of the arabian ideology and religion. |
Posted By: Super Goat (^_^)
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:47
If Iranians have hated islam so much why dont they just convert back, you guys talk as if Arabs are holding you by a leash and pointing a gun at your heads!
in Iran and Pakistan?? really... |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 19:54
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@Super Goat: Personally, I like my head absoultly not on gallows
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:00
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Aryavaeja - i suggest u familiarise yourself with http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6512&PN=1 - our code of conduct and forum rules before posting again. Consider that an informal warning. ------------- |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:01
If you read a little more on Islamic history you may realize that both Persians and Jews had major roles in creating Islam and feel a little more responsible about the current mess. Islam eventually backfired on both of them, and this happened when Iranians and Jews were actually the greatest of allies, at that time mainly against the Romans.
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Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:10
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Sound like you don't believe in Islam as a religion either and just measure it based on how it has helped or hurt particular groups including Bosnians. If people really believed Islam was a religion that has come from god people would have believed in it regardless. Not Arabs liking because it promotes their nationalism, Bosnians liking it because it brought good time to their land or helped them fight the Serbs, or Iranians hating it because it started their period of dark ages.
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:14
Hey: Arabians were there when YOU, EUROPEAN COLONISTS arrived. I would agree to some Stalinist or at least Jacobine therapy for the Muslim mentality but I don't agree to the last European Population colony, which is not doing any good. 80% of Israeli Jews (according to CIA) are born outside Israel. Why don't you pack and go back to where you came from? -------------
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Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:15
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Religious affiliations | |||||
| Shiite Muslim | 93 percent | ||||
| Sunni Muslim | 6 percent | ||||
| Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i | 1 percent ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
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Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:23
Yes, and 99% of the Soviets were listed as Communist in 1985 What is your point. Is it that 99% of Iranians have freely selected Islam as their religion and actually believe in it
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 20:31
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I suggest u learn the real facts of the Iranian revolution before u post more ignorance, i bet you didnt know that even iranian feminists took part in the revolution, it was hijacked by the islamists under their lies and false pretences.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 23:13
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iranian muslims are not the same as arab muslims. most of them arent religous. 2/3 of the population of iran is UNDER 30... as you can imagine, not much of them is religous. and most of them want good relations with the west and with israel. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2006 at 23:38
hear hear. I can't express my support enough
And again.
You have no idea. Firstly Arabs not Arabians, Secondly Irani's and Paki's are not Arabs. Thirdly I think the Israeli should be banned along with a couple of the kafirs. Every considered, Iran has wanted a theocracy since, at least, Safavid times. They had a revolution to put one in, and they elected Ahmadinejad. Worshiping fire was so popular everyone abandoned it in droves, its a chemical reaction! |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 00:51
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wait...exactly why Iranians and Arabians dislike each other. And
do Iranians consider themselves as Persians heritage or Arab
heritage? (Probably the former I just wanted to make sure). Howcome Iran became muslim, but Armenia and Byzantium did not? (or why did Armenia and Rome/Byzantium become Christian while Persians did not)  |
Posted By: çok geç
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 01:02
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Greetings all, good to come back to AE after such a long time.
Syria sided with Iran during the eight years war of Iran and Iraq. And they still allies to Iran. I don't see where Syria can fits in siding against Iran? Also, what is Palestina? PLO? Must specify.
There is Democratic Bosnia, Democratic Malaysia, Democratic Turkey (except Army involvement sometimes). You don't have to abondon a religion to be democratic. Also, most Persians are agnostic? based on what statistics?
Who kill men and women in Iran? I thought diseases, Mullahs, and drugs. I didn't know they added "Arabian" to the list. What is Libanian by the way? ------------- D.J. Kaufman Wisdom is the reward for a lifetime of listening ... when youd have preferred to talk. |
Posted By: Aydin
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 01:10
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Israel's former air-force commander is also Iranian. ------------- |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 01:11
Iranis have Aryan Heratige and are often called Persians. They are not Arabs who are semetic. Most of the Byzantine territories are majority muslim now, eg Syria Egypt Anatolia, Byzantium (Istanbul) itself. The sassanid persians were quite anti-christian as they were continually fighting the christian Romans, but why people choose or don't choose to convert to a religion is probably different for each person. |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 01:15
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I mean, although a small nation, Armenia remained Christian throught
the Arab invasions. Howcome Persia, with its large territory and
population did not stay faithful to Zoroastrism (I spelled it wrong,
but give me a break its 1 AM here), maybe it got old
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 01:52
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Difficult question. You would probably have to look into culture,
politics, economics and each persons thoughts to know a true answer. The sassanids had an old empire that was offically zoroastrian, so chances are that alot of the population were disenfranchised with their religion and government with its endless warmaking against the Romans (as often happens at the end of empires and dynasties). So when Islam came along most persians probably were jumping at the opportunity for reform and change, embracing Islam. I also think it requires a much greater leap of faith to be a Parsi than it does to be a muslim. I know in the Byzantine lands the various Churches had been arguing with each other over the most silly things, and the Church decleared most of the middle eastern Christians heretics just after they were conquered, and Islam was created to set the people back to the teaching of Jesus and the other prophets. Modern Armenia wasn't under Arab rule I believe, but Azerbaijan was, and Azerbaijan is muslim. So Armenia had hundreds of years to develop prejudeces about Islam while the Azerbaijanis and Iranis were introduced to when the only way to learn about Islam was to learn the truth. Also Armenians probably have a national idenity as Christians, as in we're not like those guys 50k's away because we're christian and their muslim. I'm just guessing but |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 02:54
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Fire is a chemical reaction that is true, but kaaba is just a piece of stone covered by a piece of black cloth! Then why do you bend over 5 time a day facing it and worship it
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 03:26
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It is just stone covered by cloth. Your not worshipping the Kaaba, your worshipping God, who created fire and all chemical and nuclear reactions. |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 03:46
Quite simple: Islam respects (more or less) the religions of the Book (the Bible), that is Christianity and Islam. This is logical because it was born in Western Arabia, where Christian and Jewish presence was strong. Islam itself is concieved as descendant of those religions and thus, the same that Christians respected (more or less) Judaism, Islam respected its ancestors. But Islam does not respect any other religion and, while it may be more or les tolerant with non-Abrahmanic beliefs, depending on circumstances, it's much more likely that these are aput on the spot of religious intolerance. Also Islam favors the enslavement of non-believers, what may exclude Judeo-Christians but does not have to exclude other major faiths, like Zoroastrianism or Hinduism, for instance. Without doubt the pressure upon Zoroastrians was stronger than upon Christians to convert. Yet, this backfired because Zoroastrian converts adhered massively to the Shia faction, creating the first major division within Islam. -------------
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 04:02
Maju, a repeat of the Jihad thread? Islam permits anyone to follow whichever religion they want. To claim that there was more pressure on Zoroastrians than Christians is to forget that the Christians converted too. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 04:57
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That is my opinion too, and i have often used Armenia as an example, infact Arabs later on preferred less converts so they could get more jiziah. Another interesting point that i have read is that 20% of the population was still Zaroastrian until the Safavids forced mass conversion to shiitism. Having said that, not all regions "embraced" with a few major cities, particularly in Afghanistan, reverting to Zaroastrianism and having to be reconquered. ZAroastrrians do not worship fire, fire is merely sacred, they weree the first to belive in one god, they prayed five times a day and many concepts of their religion passed to islam and other Abrahamic faiths. ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 04:58
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Zaroastrianism is actually considered a religion of the book. ------------- |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:18
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I think persians who get rid of mollah looks like young turks. They think, If they get rid of mollah (like young turks) everything will be fine.But most probably a lot problem will rise with the downfall of mollah, like turkish and kurdish nationalism, a lot new conflict ext. They also belittle mollah(again young turks), but Infact mollah are doing not such bad job, they are against Israel, not because of their religion, but because of national interest, they support christian armenians against muslim(shia) azeris(most probably nearest ethnic to iran), and they have no problem with working russia. this Mollah also pressure turkish and kurdish nationalism, Infact they are asimilating azeris. If I am persian, last thing I wish,would be to try islamic iran. Maybe 50-100 year laters, but not now.
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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:33
------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:42
@Omar al Hashim & mamikon: Have you read all post from first one
Please Don't speak when you don't know anything about Zartosht
People correct me please, Which of Sassanid vs Roman wars was about religion???
Again, have you read my post in first page??
Well, I suggest, lets pray around Bushehr reactor (Joke)
Jews weren't very respectful for Islam even at Mohammad life time, I've read Mohammad killed all Bani gharize or same for nabi nazir tribe people. I hope, I didn't have light up flame war Others responced by Zagros, Thank you ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 05:48
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Crazy world Here we have Turks whom disagree alliance with Israel, But their goverment agree. & so Here we have Iranian whom agree alliance with Israel, But their goverment disagree..stamble(); ------------- |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:01
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Crazy world
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:10
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@Mortaza: only about AE forumers & not for all Iran or Turkey nationstamble(); ------------- |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:12
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oh sorry, yep. you are right about this.
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:18
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not many Iranians like israel not even majority. only those who have half knowledge about their own history and ignorant about the Israeli/Palistinian Issue. their hate to the iranian Ruling system made them hate Arabs and Islam and made them feeling towards other groups which hate Islam and Arabs as well. groups such as Israelis. since this topic isn't about "Current International Relations" i'll move this thread to historical amusement forum.
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:26
Nice move! 
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:33
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Why move it to historical amusement? This alliance was a historical FACT, and aside from that it is a valid discussion of international relations. Should the mullah regime fall, it would not be an outlandish event... As Mortaza pointed out national interest outweighs religion (Iran supporting Christian Armenia against Shiite FSR Azerbaijan during Azerbaijani Mullah's tenure in Iran). Turkey right now is an ally of Israel, do most Turks support this alliance? I am not sure but they do what is int heir national interest. ------------- |
Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:41
May I see your reliable source then?As I said, an Islamist nation gets an Islamic revolution, not a christian one ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:51
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Zagros do you realy see even a minor chance for Iran-Israel alliance, I think amusement forum is good place for this threat but, well not historical amusement.
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 06:55
It's not that simple. ● Iranians of AE do not represent anyone, not even a minority in Iran. ● Current Turkish government was formed by Islamists, they don't like Jews. ● On the average Turkish people are neutral about current issues in Middle East. ● Actually it is Israelis, surrounded by enemies, who wish to have an alliance with us. ● As a state, Turkish Republic is neutral in this conflict. ● I really doubt that there are Israelis who wish to ally with Iran. |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:03
Come on, who is the biggest enemy of Israel now? Iran! We are talking about future. The starter of this topic was not talking about former alliances. |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:05
Azimuth why we always have problem?? & Why we hate arabs?? I guess you just read title & last page posts & decided to change path. Please return to main place, topic doesn't say Israel & Arab alliance againse Martian little greens. ------------- |
Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:10
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For n^n!th Time Why don't you read all post????????
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:12
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Hey Admins it's time to Close Topic I bet on it ------------- |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:35
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Land of Aryan this thread is talking about current stiuation not about Historical relation. so it doesn't belong to the Current international relation forum. if the Amusement forum isnt the proper place for this thread then to the intellectual Discussion forum.
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 07:56
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Thanks, now It seems better
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 08:49
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I think Iranian people feel more sympathy to Armenia, since their nation alities go way back to 500 B.C. The Iranian gov't however supported Azerbiajna at first. Then the Azeri president made a pseech about greater azerbaijan (Iranian azeries to rebel) or something, so Iran changed its stance to more pro-Armenian. This is a peculiar case when a mislim country goes against another muslim country in support of a Christian country. What do Iranian people think of the Nagorno-Karabakh war? |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 17:49
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iran and israel have been allies before and they will be allies again once the mullahs are gone. most iranians put iran before religion and politics. for example, during the iranian elections, when someone asked rafsanjani if he was a muslim first or an iranian first, he said muslim first, then iranian. the next day, everyone was talking about it and how he doesnt deserve to be president. sorry to break it to some of the muslims here, but when i went to iran, when it came to the israel palestinian problem, people said it was an arab israel problem that had nothing to do with iran, and iran should be nuetral. iranians and israeli's would like to be friends again.
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 18:09
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They got what they deserved, the FSR Azeri state is a quasi fascist (and racist) state. I feel closer to Azaries than Armenians because they celebrate the same holidays as us, but i support the Armenians politically because of the attitude and fascist policies of FSR Azarbaijan. ------------- |
Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 18:10
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keep on dreaming ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 18:49
Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Why don't you watch the news? By the way, is aryavaeja your twin brother? Both of you have the same ideas... |
Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 22:17
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wow! i dont know if you have realised this or not, but we arent talking about now, we are talking about when the mullahs leave. if you havent realised this by now then maybe you should just leave this thread.... ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006 at 23:22
I did not mean to offened you. It is muslim belief that the Christianity preached by Jesus was the same message as given to Muhammad, and that over the 600 intervening years it was altered, and bits forgotten. If you want proof, look up what happened at the Council of Nicea and the religion of the Emperor Constantine.
So teach me, and you shouldn't speak if you don't know about Islam.
Iran is as likely to be a ally of Israel, as the Israelis are of deciding that the Jewish state was a bad idea in the first place and all go home. |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 00:37
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Iran is as likely to be a ally of Israel, as the Israelis are of
deciding that the Jewish state was a bad idea in the first place and
all go home. If the Israelis go home, and there is no Jewish state. With whom is Iran going to ally?
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Posted By: The Guardian
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 04:22
what is so hard?The mullahs Won't leave! ------------- It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up. &nb |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 05:24
Who says that Israelis want to be allied with Iran even if Mullahs leave? |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 07:27
Dont tell me you are scared to lose 1 of your 3 allies in the whole world 
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 07:57
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Because of the immense strategic value of such an alliance. It would sandwich both countries' most vehement enemies. Don't forget some very key and high level Israelis are Iranian in origin (Jews). And despite all of the emnity between Iran and Israel, Iran still is home to the largest population of Jews in Asia, after Israel itself. ------------- |